What were V4s Like?
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hedges88

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690 posts

175 months

Monday 2nd December 2013
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I'm familiar with most engine configurations and how they work, their advantages, disadvantages, power strokes and balance.

I've been fortunate to use single cylinder engines, inline 3's, 4's ,5's and 6'es. I've also driven some V6's and one V8.

My thread is to ask if anyone had experience of what V4's where like such as those in old Ford's, I know the technical details but I wondered what they were actually like to drive, how the sounded and how they respond to the go pedal?

GadgeS3C

4,727 posts

194 months

Monday 2nd December 2013
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Never driven one but I don't remember hearing good things about them (the Ford ones).

Edited by GadgeS3C on Monday 2nd December 17:29

benjj

6,787 posts

193 months

Monday 2nd December 2013
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Sound fab.

I've driven a few, mainly Fulvias and Saab 96s.

Both are small capacity though so not rockets, they love to be revved though which is no chore whatsoever in a Fulvia 1.3S Rallye.

Would like to try the hot Lancia V4 (the 1.6), that can easily be breathed up to about 140-150bhp shich wouldn't be bad in a stripped 850kg Fulvia coupe.

Mastodon2

14,333 posts

195 months

Monday 2nd December 2013
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A bloke I work with sometimes comes to work on a Honda RC45, with a 400cc V4. It's one of the greatest sounds I've ever heard.

gus607

997 posts

166 months

Monday 2nd December 2013
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Every V4 I've known (all Fords) were absolute garbage.

ukzz4iroc

3,502 posts

204 months

Monday 2nd December 2013
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Very very agricultural. Had a Ford Corsair V4 in my NSU Ro80

lowdrag

13,187 posts

243 months

Monday 2nd December 2013
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gus607 said:
Every V4 I've known (all Fords) were absolute garbage.
+1 - in spades.

paulwirral

3,825 posts

165 months

Monday 2nd December 2013
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There's a reason they were fitted to transits , noisy harsh old things , it was the seventies mind .

XJ Flyer

5,526 posts

160 months

Monday 2nd December 2013
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gus607 said:
Every V4 I've known (all Fords) were absolute garbage.
^ This.

dapearson

4,456 posts

254 months

Monday 2nd December 2013
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There's one sitting in my garage that i had on sale for 2 months with zero interest.

VFR800 V-TEC. Absolutely lovely noise once screaming around to 10k+ rpm.

eldar

25,292 posts

226 months

Monday 2nd December 2013
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gus607 said:
Every V4 I've known (all Fords) were absolute garbage.
Oh Yes. Rattly, underpowered, vibrated enough to satisfy a nymphomaniac, and a bd to work on. One of Fords works engines.

J4CKO

46,933 posts

230 months

Monday 2nd December 2013
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I remember as a kid, my dad had a MK1 Capri and as an avid spotter I spotted a few 3 litre ones that he wistfully would say he aspired to, then one day I spotted a 2000 GT (Rare sight) and told him and he said it was the work of the devil and not as good as his 1600 GT, the V4 only offered another 4 bhp or so, meant to be a bit of an old wheezer.

supersingle

3,205 posts

249 months

Monday 2nd December 2013
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Mastodon2 said:
A bloke I work with sometimes comes to work on a Honda RC45, with a 400cc V4. It's one of the greatest sounds I've ever heard.
I wonder why he removed by the 750? wink

They do sound good though. There's different crank and firing order V4s out there. There's 'big bang' engines that sound like a twin, 180 or 360 degree cranks, screamers. Seems they're seldom used in cars though, not sure why.

XJ Flyer

5,526 posts

160 months

Monday 2nd December 2013
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J4CKO said:
I remember as a kid, my dad had a MK1 Capri and as an avid spotter I spotted a few 3 litre ones that he wistfully would say he aspired to, then one day I spotted a 2000 GT (Rare sight) and told him and he said it was the work of the devil and not as good as his 1600 GT, the V4 only offered another 4 bhp or so, meant to be a bit of an old wheezer.
The description was absolute dog not old wheezer.Old wheezer would have been too much of an undeserved compliment.lol

iva cosworth

44,044 posts

193 months

Monday 2nd December 2013
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Drove many SAAB 95/96s with V4s.

Not a smooth ,quiet engine.....nono

MotorsportTom

3,343 posts

191 months

Monday 2nd December 2013
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I have a VFR750 so it's a 750cc V4.

Gear driven cams give it a lovely whine whilst it has a mix of Vtwin bike sound and inline 4 bike sound.

The sound always makes me smile biggrin

Meldonte

264 posts

201 months

Monday 2nd December 2013
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Bit rattly and clunky is the old ford v4 but come on it sounds great with a decent carb on it.



http://youtu.be/K6bjUI-KQbg - how can you not love that!


The works saab ones can be made to push 140bhp which was pretty good for its capacity in its day!!

gareth_r

6,761 posts

267 months

Monday 2nd December 2013
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ukzz4iroc said:
Very very agricultural. Had a Ford Corsair V4 in my NSU Ro80
Given the Ford V4's dismal reputation, I always thought that the fact that it was considered to be an improvement on the NSU wankel told you everything you needed to know about the rotary engine (at that time). smile



benjj said:
Sound fab.

I've driven a few, mainly Fulvias and Saab 96s.

Both are small capacity though so not rockets, they love to be revved though which is no chore whatsoever in a Fulvia 1.3S Rallye.

Would like to try the hot Lancia V4 (the 1.6), that can easily be breathed up to about 140-150bhp, which wouldn't be bad in a stripped 850kg Fulvia coupe.
Isn't the Lancia such a a narrow angle V that it's almost a straight 4?
The SAAB was a Ford unit, but Cologne rather than Essex IIRC. Perhaps the German ones were better.

EskimoArapaho

5,135 posts

165 months

Monday 2nd December 2013
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Often wondered - they disappeared before I started driving.

Comedically compact when in that HUGE Mk4 Zephyr engine bay:



Edited to add: does that count as mid-engined? wink

GuitarTech

582 posts

180 months

Monday 2nd December 2013
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I seem to remember that the old Ford V4's were so rough because they were a Kent V6 with 2 cylinders chopped off: a 90° cylinder bank angle is good for a V6, but dreadfull for a V4 (should be 60° I think?)
Back then I ran a Corsair with the 2L V4, was a bag of nails. Got shut of it after 3 months or so