Honda Civic Type R: Spotted
VTEC kicks in for the second time in a day, yo, etc

Perhaps it's because new cars have direct rivals and any shortcomings against the competition are plain to see and difficult to ignore. A few years pass by, the car in question is no longer on sale and - maybe because it has aged or depreciated differently to its old rivals - it's no longer judged in the context of the class leader.
That means those shortcomings fade from the consciousness and the merits are allowed to shine brighter. There is, it has to be said, a very good chance that all of that it utter drivel and I'm just vainly trying to justify my low opinion of the FN2 Civic Type R when new against my desire to own one now.
It might simply be that once a car has lost two thirds of its value we're more willing to turn a blind eye to it flaws; we expect much less for our £6K than we do £20K. Regardless, a six-year-old Civic Type R now looks like a very tidy purchase.
I had occasional access to one a few years ago, as I did a VW Golf GTI Mk5, and I had a fairly turbulent relationship with it. Judged against the Golf it felt slow in a straight line, it was uncomfortable and unrefined and the seating position was too high.
On the flip side, the gear change was wonderful, the seats themselves were supportive with their firmly padded wings and it looked like nothing else on the road.
To this day I still don't know if I like the way it drives. The drivetrain was exciting and the engine span up so freely and with such ferocity once into the VTEC range, but it never felt quick in a straight line. It seemed to make a lot of fuss about not going very far. The direct steering allied to the ultra stiff, roll-free chassis made it feel like a touring car. It was responsive and agile in a way the Golf couldn't even imagine, but the firmness made it difficult to judge grip levels. On occasion it would just plough on in massive understeer rather than attack the apex and there was no mobility to the rear end.
I've done more laps of the Nordschleife in the Type R than any other car, which is to say about four, and around the most challenging of circuits it really won me over. Despite not knowing the place terribly well I felt confident enough to really push to my limits and by keeping the Civic pinned on the brakes at turn in there wasn't a suggestion of front end push. With the engine kept well on top of its power band it also felt plenty quick enough.
I can only conclude that the Civic Type R is a complex car, but at this price point I just wouldn't be bothered that certain rivals are more intuitive down a tricky stretch of B-road. I'd just rev the nuts off that firecracker engine and enjoy a completely unique driving experience.
HONDA CIVIC TYPE R (FN2)
Engine: 1,998cc, four-cylinder
Transmission: 6-speed manual, FWD
Power (hp): 200@7,800rpm
Torque (lb ft): 142@5,600rpm
MPG: 31.0
CO2: 215g/km
Recorded mileage: 83,265
First registered: 2007
Price new: £18,615
Yours for: £6,195
See the original advert here.
Later versions came with an LSD standard, USB and hid equipped lights. Worth holding out for if it's an everyday car opposed to a bit of a fun impulse purchase.

IMG_4866-Edit.jpg by Nicholas R Horne, on Flickr
the arguments go on and on, but the Ep3 is still the one to go for, no toys, but thats half the charm. a car where the engine and chassis are the main parts not the aesthetics.
The FN2 is 60% there, it surely is a very modern hatch with all the toys etc and those striking looks and you also can;t sniff at the price of them. But its just diluted down whatever the fanboys tell you. i am just about to buy my 4th Ep3 this time for track use only. i am yet to find a car as bullet proof and cheap to won if you negate the insurance aspect.
I think the fn2 is a bit more on the femine side, looks wise!imho
The reduction in weight and the slight increase in torque helps the performance enough to be able to live with it predecessor!
The exhaust adds to the vtec drama too!
A BMW with M-Sport suspension AND run-flats feels soft compared to the Civic.
I test drove a stock Type R form a Honda Dealership. It was OK but I was a little disappointed in the lack of noise and the speed was not that thrilling. I decided if I'm going to go with a type R I might as well take the Pepsi challenge and go with 19's, the Gruppe N Induction kit, Full Miltek exhaust and lowered suspension. The result is a mini race car. I use it every day. It is very practical but the ride is a complete joke! Especially coming from a car with Hydraulic suspension (merc 500). It is a very capable everyday car if you go for stock 18's and stock suspension. I will try and drive it for a year and then move on to something a bit softer.
If you're looking for a Type R, don't get a Fat and Neutral2 get a minter of an EP

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