The "Sagaris Convertible" For Sale...

[MaccaTVR]

The car looks extremely appealing to me, however with a little search on the forums there are a few topics and comments here and there about this car which made me think twice, such as "it's had a hard life" and "needs a respray".

A Tuscan S but with a 3.6 engine?

And I would agree - it is overpriced.

Does anyone know if any previous owners are on here or the guy who carried out all the work? I'd like to have a chat and find out more info on the car from people who've had real experience with it - I doubt Britannia cars will be much help in that respect.

Regards

[MaccaTVR]

The link to the ad - http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/t...

Also noticed it seems to have been for sale for a while...

[Laser Sag]

I believe "Plasticman" carried out the conversion for a well known stunt driver, if it does need paint then the paint is very expensive so do beware.

[coetzeeh]

If Plasticman did the conversion then you know it was done properly.

[alex_gray255]

As stated that car has "had a hard life".

I know the people who looked after it and did most of the work on it.

From what they told me, I would suggest you stay clear unless you have
money to spend on getting it up to scratch (again). They told me
"don't touch it".

If you want, I might be able to get a more detailed statement of what
"don't touch it" means, but that is a might.

I'm only passing on this comment as to what was said to me. I know nothing
of what has been done on the car since, so maybe it is perfect now.

If you are looking to buy it, you will have to judge for yourself.

[Don1]

...and it's been covered at least twice in the last two months. If you really want to spend your money £20k is a good number.

[Davel]

It looks lovely but it is a Tuscan Mark 1 converted and always will be.

As such, it may be difficult to sell on - stunning as it looks.

[MaccaTVR]

alex_gray255 said:

As stated that car has "had a hard life".

I know the people who looked after it and did most of the work on it.

From what they told me, I would suggest you stay clear unless you have
money to spend on getting it up to scratch (again). They told me
"don't touch it".

If you want, I might be able to get a more detailed statement of what
"don't touch it" means, but that is a might.

I'm only passing on this comment as to what was said to me. I know nothing
of what has been done on the car since, so maybe it is perfect now.

If you are looking to buy it, you will have to judge for yourself.

That would be a great help, if possible! You can PM me details instead if you wish.
Much appreciated.

[alex_gray255]

MaccaTVR said:

That would be a great help, if possible! You can PM me details instead if you wish.
Much appreciated.

Np. I'll see what I can do for you. I need to talk with them next week, so I'll see
if I can find out any specifics of issues they remember. It might be out of date
now, but it might be useful.

It was a pseudo stunt car, so keep that in mind - Terry Grant's.

[DJR 7]

Talking from experience such conversions are 40-50k,
I've not actually seen the car in question but if it costs 10-15k to bring it up to A1 it's still cheaper than carrying out the conversion.
As per any Tvr check the fundamentals ...... Chassis and engine.

D

Edited by DJR 7 on Wednesday 4th December 21:18

[SPS]

Davel said:

It looks lovely but it is a Tuscan Mark 1 converted and always will be.

As such, it may be difficult to sell on - stunning as it looks.

I contacted them about possible p/x of my 2006 T350 - never got a reply!
It does look great but at the end of the day it is a Mk1 Tuscan with a Sag make over!

[chris watton]

DJR 7 said:

Talking from experience such conversions are 40-50k,
I've not actually seen the car in question but if it costs 10-15k to bring it up to A1 it's still cheaper than carrying out the conversion.
As per any Tvr check the fundamentals ...... Chassis and engine.

D

Edited by DJR 7 on Wednesday 4th December 21:18

If that really is the case, wouldn't it have worked out cheaper to buy a Sag to start with and then messed with the roof? (if you take the original cost of the Tuscan donor car plus the £40-50k on top to convert it)

[alex_gray255]

Hmm, I wonder if there would be any bodywork flexing/rigidness issues with cutting holes or panels in the roof?

I suppose you could go with the Targa panel option and keep the central struts...

Must admit however, body rigidity is not something I would personally go messing with without some good research
to back up if what I was doing was not going to cause issues...

I discussed this once with Jonathon, Russ and Brendan at the old RP, but I can't remember what
the conclusion was now...

Edited by alex_gray255 on Thursday 5th December 18:10

[chris watton]

alex_gray255 said:

Hmm, I wonder if there would be any bodywork flexing/rigidness issues with cutting holes or panels in the roof?

I suppose you could go with the Targa panel option and keep the central struts...

Must admit however, body rigidity is not something I would personally go messing with without some good research
to back up if what I was doing was not going to cause issues...

I discussed this once with Jonathon, Russ and Brendan at the old RP, but I can't remember what
the conclusion was now...

Edited by alex_gray255 on Thursday 5th December 18:10

I would have thought that with the chassis untouched, including the integral roll cage, how the body is chopped and changed would make little difference to rigidity?

[Don1]

IIRC the roll cage in the Sag isn't structural? Didn't one break overseas? Personally the targa is best, just don't make it like the Hennessy Venom thing. Hideous in convertible format.

[DJR 7]

chris watton said:

DJR 7 said:

Talking from experience such conversions are 40-50k,
I've not actually seen the car in question but if it costs 10-15k to bring it up to A1 it's still cheaper than carrying out the conversion.
As per any Tvr check the fundamentals ...... Chassis and engine.

D

Edited by DJR 7 on Wednesday 4th December 21:18

If that really is the case, wouldn't it have worked out cheaper to buy a Sag to start with and then messed with the roof? (if you take the original cost of the Tuscan donor car plus the £40-50k on top to convert it)

No.... Suggest you do your home work

Edited by DJR 7 on Thursday 5th December 21:46

[chris watton]

DJR 7 said:

No.... Suggest you do your home work

Edited by DJR 7 on Thursday 5th December 21:46

Thought I was - that's why I was asking on here, from people who own the Sags and have altered them...

[DJR 7]

Do you honestly think people would spend that sort of money and not thought about all of the options?

[K4TRV]

chris watton said:

I would have thought that with the chassis untouched, including the integral roll cage, how the body is chopped and changed would make little difference to rigidity?

^^+1^^

The Tamora has the T-car chassis, no roll cage, no roof and is allegedly the best handing T-car - doesn't seem to flex or have rigidity issues either?

T

[chris watton]

DJR 7 said:

Do you honestly think people would spend that sort of money and not thought about all of the options?

Perhaps you would, others may not, I don't know - that's why I asked!

I know all the 'T' cars are based more or less on the same chassis, albeit with a few differences. I know I have never had any problems with the open top Tamora.

Wasn't trying to cause offence - I thought I was asking a fairly innocent question.