Real world after market ECU difference...
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Whilst I appreciate that some have had a few installation problems, what is the real world difference between some of the aftermarket ECU's? I'm not after a purpose built track car, but more fast road. I have been getting close to biting the bullet on the MegaSquirt system for my 500, but have also come across the MicroSquirt on Trigger Wheels. I was looking at a self installation and was also considering looking at a used ECU via Fleabay.
Is the Microsquirt completely unusable for the Chim? Also, if I was to add FI later, would any of these be a restriction?
Out of interest, I also came across these European ones on Fleabay: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EMU-Engine-Managment-Uni...
You experience and thoughts please!
Is the Microsquirt completely unusable for the Chim? Also, if I was to add FI later, would any of these be a restriction?
Out of interest, I also came across these European ones on Fleabay: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EMU-Engine-Managment-Uni...
You experience and thoughts please!
Bobby Shaftoe said:
The RoverV8 is pretty billy basic so there is really no need for the likes of individual spark & fuel trims, fully sequential fuelling and injection, 8 channel EGT's and the like so a MS2 is pretty much the most cost effective option.
I'd recommend downloading the tuning software for the ECU's you are interested in and having a play around to see how intuitive they are. FWIW tunerstudio for megasquirt is very good and is under continual development.
If you are interested i have a spare fully built MS2 along with partial wiring loom, temp sensor, trigger pickup, various connectors that i built for a friends 205gti project that has since been abandoned.
PM'edI'd recommend downloading the tuning software for the ECU's you are interested in and having a play around to see how intuitive they are. FWIW tunerstudio for megasquirt is very good and is under continual development.
If you are interested i have a spare fully built MS2 along with partial wiring loom, temp sensor, trigger pickup, various connectors that i built for a friends 205gti project that has since been abandoned.
Did have a look at this for my 500, but after looking at the need for a trigger wheel on the front end became concerned about upsetting the crank balance and the potential of a snapped crank.
Did have a play at driving something of the distributer drive but lost interest as it runs fine on the original system, and any worthwhile gains would be for fuel saving only, the car is quite quick enough on the road anyway and only do 5k miles per year.
Andy
Did have a play at driving something of the distributer drive but lost interest as it runs fine on the original system, and any worthwhile gains would be for fuel saving only, the car is quite quick enough on the road anyway and only do 5k miles per year.
Andy
Thanks for that. I'm not so sure that a trigger wheel would make that much difference TBH?
I was also considering sending my crank off to be balanced. As I understand the crank is externally balanced on the 500. I was also thinking about having the block cross-bolted; however, in the exact words of John Eales, if it ain't broke, don't fix it! I'd like to sort out the shunting on mine and get a decent map. Although, cross bolting the block is still one thing I'd like to do before increasing the horses.
I was also considering sending my crank off to be balanced. As I understand the crank is externally balanced on the 500. I was also thinking about having the block cross-bolted; however, in the exact words of John Eales, if it ain't broke, don't fix it! I'd like to sort out the shunting on mine and get a decent map. Although, cross bolting the block is still one thing I'd like to do before increasing the horses.
Talk to Shaun. Www.ms2tuing.com?
The system installation is one thing.
A nice loom is another
A good mapping is everything.
If it was me, I would spend a little more and get a job that works done by a man who knows what he's doing.
A nicely mapped new ECU s only as good as the mapper.
Just iMHO
The system installation is one thing.
A nice loom is another
A good mapping is everything.
If it was me, I would spend a little more and get a job that works done by a man who knows what he's doing.
A nicely mapped new ECU s only as good as the mapper.
Just iMHO
Chuffmeister said:
Thanks for that. I'm not so sure that a trigger wheel would make that much difference TBH?
I was also considering sending my crank off to be balanced. As I understand the crank is externally balanced on the 500. I was also thinking about having the block cross-bolted; however, in the exact words of John Eales, if it ain't broke, don't fix it! I'd like to sort out the shunting on mine and get a decent map. Although, cross bolting the block is still one thing I'd like to do before increasing the horses.
Just drop the car off with Lloyd Specialist developments for a Canems engine management installation.I was also considering sending my crank off to be balanced. As I understand the crank is externally balanced on the 500. I was also thinking about having the block cross-bolted; however, in the exact words of John Eales, if it ain't broke, don't fix it! I'd like to sort out the shunting on mine and get a decent map. Although, cross bolting the block is still one thing I'd like to do before increasing the horses.
Then pick it up two weeks later (or less), drive & enjoy.
No shunting, better fuel economy, better drivability, better performance, and better reliability.
The 15+ year old crispy TVR/Range Rover engine bay & ECU hash up loom is banished to the bin, replaced instead with a very neat, well made & reliable wiring harness.
Enjoy other benefits too, such as the rad fans controlled by the ECU, the ability to view the true engine temps on your laptop along with all the readings from the other sensor outputs (True RPM, engine load, air temp ect ect).
Best of all you'll have adaptable three dimensional fuelling & ignition managed by one system not two as with the current set up (distributor for ignition & separate 14CUX ECU for fuel).
Learn how the Canems system works, teach yourself some basic mapping skills, and suddenly you'll have a whole new set of toys to play with.
Finally you'll realise your new Canems system is the key to open many more performance doors, supercharging, turbo charging, and tweaks to get the best from better breathing induction & cylinder heads are all now within your grasp.
Enjoy
I hear you guys, but don't have the budget to simple drop it off with someone. I was intending on self-installation and then a RR map with a specialist. TBH, I don't mind having a go myself at the installation, but as you say, I wouldn't know where to begin with the mapping.
I'm currently in touch with the previous owner, he seemed to remember the car mapped to 274 after the top-end rebuild and then passed 300bhp on 14Cux when he had the red top injectors in, but unfortunately, I'm missing the dyno for this… A new ECU would really make all the difference.
I'm currently in touch with the previous owner, he seemed to remember the car mapped to 274 after the top-end rebuild and then passed 300bhp on 14Cux when he had the red top injectors in, but unfortunately, I'm missing the dyno for this… A new ECU would really make all the difference.
Chuffmeister said:
I hear you guys, but don't have the budget to simple drop it off with someone. I was intending on self-installation and then a RR map with a specialist. TBH, I don't mind having a go myself at the installation, but as you say, I wouldn't know where to begin with the mapping.
I'm currently in touch with the previous owner, he seemed to remember the car mapped to 274 after the top-end rebuild and then passed 300bhp on 14Cux when he had the red top injectors in, but unfortunately, I'm missing the dyno for this… A new ECU would really make all the difference.
Mine makes 300 bhp on the14CUX running red top injectors, if that gives you any comfort. I'm currently in touch with the previous owner, he seemed to remember the car mapped to 274 after the top-end rebuild and then passed 300bhp on 14Cux when he had the red top injectors in, but unfortunately, I'm missing the dyno for this… A new ECU would really make all the difference.
Chuffmeister said:
I hear you guys, but don't have the budget to simple drop it off with someone. I was intending on self-installation and then a RR map with a specialist. TBH, I don't mind having a go myself at the installation, but as you say, I wouldn't know where to begin with the mapping.
I'm currently in touch with the previous owner, he seemed to remember the car mapped to 274 after the top-end rebuild and then passed 300bhp on 14Cux when he had the red top injectors in, but unfortunately, I'm missing the dyno for this… A new ECU would really make all the difference.
Go for it is what i`d say. I fitted my Emerald myself last Winter and made a complete new loom to go with it. I am no auto electrician but it aint that difficult. Get a decent crimping tool, i crimped and soldered everything. You are only wiring all sensors, injectors, coils etc back to their appropriate slot on the ecu plug. The ecu plug comes with a flying loom, diagram, and with everything labelled. Pretty sure you can get a flying lead for a Megasquirt from efi extra. the efi extra site has some fantastic information and wiring diagrams to help you out. You then know exactly how its all working and sit there with a huge smile on your face when it roars into life (hopefully) I'm currently in touch with the previous owner, he seemed to remember the car mapped to 274 after the top-end rebuild and then passed 300bhp on 14Cux when he had the red top injectors in, but unfortunately, I'm missing the dyno for this… A new ECU would really make all the difference.
ChimpOnGas said:
Just drop the car off with Lloyd Specialist developments for a Canems engine management installation.
Then pick it up two weeks later (or less), drive & enjoy.
No shunting, better fuel economy, better drivability, better performance, and better reliability.
The 15+ year old crispy TVR/Range Rover engine bay & ECU hash up loom is banished to the bin, replaced instead with a very neat, well made & reliable wiring harness.
Enjoy other benefits too, such as the rad fans controlled by the ECU, the ability to view the true engine temps on your laptop along with all the readings from the other sensor outputs (True RPM, engine load, air temp ect ect).
Best of all you'll have adaptable three dimensional fuelling & ignition managed by one system not two as with the current set up (distributor for ignition & separate 14CUX ECU for fuel).
Learn how the Canems system works, teach yourself some basic mapping skills, and suddenly you'll have a whole new set of toys to play with.
Finally you'll realise your new Canems system is the key to open many more performance doors, supercharging, turbo charging, and tweaks to get the best from better breathing induction & cylinder heads are all now within your grasp.
Enjoy
+1 for Lloyds and Canems. Car drives so much better, can't say its any more powerfull but it feels like it is. Then pick it up two weeks later (or less), drive & enjoy.
No shunting, better fuel economy, better drivability, better performance, and better reliability.
The 15+ year old crispy TVR/Range Rover engine bay & ECU hash up loom is banished to the bin, replaced instead with a very neat, well made & reliable wiring harness.
Enjoy other benefits too, such as the rad fans controlled by the ECU, the ability to view the true engine temps on your laptop along with all the readings from the other sensor outputs (True RPM, engine load, air temp ect ect).
Best of all you'll have adaptable three dimensional fuelling & ignition managed by one system not two as with the current set up (distributor for ignition & separate 14CUX ECU for fuel).
Learn how the Canems system works, teach yourself some basic mapping skills, and suddenly you'll have a whole new set of toys to play with.
Finally you'll realise your new Canems system is the key to open many more performance doors, supercharging, turbo charging, and tweaks to get the best from better breathing induction & cylinder heads are all now within your grasp.
Enjoy
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