How does such a big engine produce so little power?
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Having a browse on ebay for classic pickups when I come across this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Chevrolet-454ss-Pickup-C... , now being a fan of the GMC syclone I look up the 454ss's power which rolls in at a measly 255bhp despite having a 7.4l V8 
How does a engine of this size produce such little power? and is there anything you can do to increase it excluding forced induction?

How does a engine of this size produce such little power? and is there anything you can do to increase it excluding forced induction?
Ahh the whole revving thing kind of makes sense, just seems insane to have such a large lump with so little BHP.
Apparently it has 405lb-ft (546.8Nm) @ 2400 rpm which in fairness is quite a lot of low down power.
The Cadillac coupe de ville and the Mustang King cobra are both a disgrace
Out of curiosity is there a way to make the 454 perform without serious mods/and or forced induction?
Apparently it has 405lb-ft (546.8Nm) @ 2400 rpm which in fairness is quite a lot of low down power.
The Cadillac coupe de ville and the Mustang King cobra are both a disgrace

Out of curiosity is there a way to make the 454 perform without serious mods/and or forced induction?
well assuming the flow of air is not restrictive, then simply advance the timing and hack the ecu to raise the rev limit - maybe stick a thinner head gasket in there to increase the compression ratio. admittedly all these things might make the engine fail prematurely, but while its working it should be making more power!
Poor breathing and fuelling as much as anything I expect although there are probably other issues around old materials, exhaust, friction surfaces and other stuff I don't understand. A book on tuning old engines will probably explain a lot of it. I seem to remember the phrase 'strangled by emissions equipment' back in the day concerning big US engines.
It's all about state of tune in the form of compression ratios,cylinder head design,valves/cam,and manifolding flow rates etc etc.
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Edited by XJ Flyer on Friday 6th December 00:56
Edited by XJ Flyer on Friday 6th December 01:01
I can only imagine the looks on some of the faces of the blokes driving these Emissions Era cars for the first time. Expecting seven litres of big block V8 power and getting nothing back from it!
The US car market has always been a funny thing, mainly because it's so massive it could survive just by making cars for domestic sales. This led to an insular culture of taste and design. The Americans preferred big engines, even in spite of the 70's emission regulations. It's a strange place where piles of s
t like the AMC Pacer (penned by a cross-eyed idiot probably trying to copy European cars of the time) could have a 5.0L V8 and make 124hp.
The US car market has always been a funny thing, mainly because it's so massive it could survive just by making cars for domestic sales. This led to an insular culture of taste and design. The Americans preferred big engines, even in spite of the 70's emission regulations. It's a strange place where piles of s
t like the AMC Pacer (penned by a cross-eyed idiot probably trying to copy European cars of the time) could have a 5.0L V8 and make 124hp. IrnBruFreak said:
Cause it's from the us ..
BHP = rev * torque...
You find the majority of us motors are built for low down torque and don't rev very high, hence the bhp figures are lower than euro take on large motors
Just to expand on this, quoted BHP is peak. Small high reving engines can produce high peak power but thats achieved through rev's, so al low revs the power is low. A large capacity engine low reving engine achieves is power through high torque, and normally across the rev range.BHP = rev * torque...
You find the majority of us motors are built for low down torque and don't rev very high, hence the bhp figures are lower than euro take on large motors
If both engines ran at peak all the time, they could do the same amount of work. As engines actually need to work across a range of revs, you want a big engine if you want to pull loads from standstill.
slinky said:
IrnBruFreak said:
Cause it's from the us ..
BHP = (rev * torque)/5252...
You find the majority of us motors are built for low down torque and don't rev very high, hence the bhp figures are lower than euro take on large motors
EFABHP = (rev * torque)/5252...
You find the majority of us motors are built for low down torque and don't rev very high, hence the bhp figures are lower than euro take on large motors
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