GT3 Mk 2 Fire extinguisher

[gonzo767]

Hi

Does anyone have a Werner fire extinguisher with mounting bracket for a Mk 2 GT3.
Also, I am looking for a pair of mats with the cut outs for the front roll cage and extinguisher.

Thanks

Alan

[LaSource]

Hi - I do have one which has been waiting to be posted onto the classifieds.

PM me and I can send you details.

[DiscoColin]

Just a footnote - are you wanting this for some kind of authenticity reason or just because you want a fire extinguisher in the car? My one of those stays in the house, but I have one of these in the door pocket of my GT3 CS (the one that I have is the 9B version, though I can't see it on the site {it came via a group buy that a friend of mine joined on on of the Lotus forums}). With it in the door, I can readily grab it as I exit the car rather than fumbling around in the passenger footwell while (hypothetically) the car would notionally be burning around me. And if I were to be trapped I would be able to get it while still strapped in so frankly I feel much happier with it. If I'd put the OE extinguisher in the car I can frankly only ever imagine using it if I stopped to help with someone else's fire...

Just a thought anyway.

[fergus]

DiscoColin said:

Just a footnote - are you wanting this for some kind of authenticity reason or just because you want a fire extinguisher in the car? My one of those stays in the house, but I have one of these in the door pocket of my GT3 CS (the one that I have is the 9B version, though I can't see it on the site {it came via a group buy that a friend of mine joined on on of the Lotus forums}). With it in the door, I can readily grab it as I exit the car rather than fumbling around in the passenger footwell while (hypothetically) the car would notionally be burning around me. And if I were to be trapped I would be able to get it while still strapped in so frankly I feel much happier with it. If I'd put the OE extinguisher in the car I can frankly only ever imagine using it if I stopped to help with someone else's fire...

Just a thought anyway.

+1 for the "fireeater". One of these saved my Caterham at a fire at the 'Ring (cheers SpeedyDave), despite the car having a plumbed in (and activated) AFF extinguisher. I now keep one literally to hand when doing any circuit work after seeing how fast a car fire can take hold.

[PJI]

There aren't any mats with the holes in for the cage you will need to cut them out yourself. Do this before fitting the front section of the cage and use the plastic bungs from the carpet to cut the correct size. If I recall the centre of the hole needs to be 3 cm from the edge of the mat. If you use mats that have a plastic edge they won't fray.

[ianmcg]

DiscoColin said:

Just a footnote - are you wanting this for some kind of authenticity reason or just because you want a fire extinguisher in the car? My one of those stays in the house, but I have one of these in the door pocket of my GT3 CS (the one that I have is the 9B version, though I can't see it on the site {it came via a group buy that a friend of mine joined on on of the Lotus forums}). With it in the door, I can readily grab it as I exit the car rather than fumbling around in the passenger footwell while (hypothetically) the car would notionally be burning around me. And if I were to be trapped I would be able to get it while still strapped in so frankly I feel much happier with it. If I'd put the OE extinguisher in the car I can frankly only ever imagine using it if I stopped to help with someone else's fire...

Just a thought anyway.

I thought those little extinguishers looked interesting but too good to be true. I can't help thinking that if it were such an effective method it would be a lot more common than it is.

Anyway after some research it appears that somebody in Europe thinks so too. See number13 below.

http://ec.europa.eu/consumers/safety/rapex/alerts/...

Of course it's (probably) better than nothing and agree about the fumbling in the footwell, but what about between the seats mounted on the cage?

For confined spaces the FE-13 Halon replacement is supposed to be very good but very expensive. See the Lifeline branded motorsport ones - not sure if they are the right size for the GT3 brackets.
I have an automatic sprinkler head type of the same stuff in my boiler/electrical cupboard which are only a £100 or so.

Ian

[DiscoColin]

ianmcg said:

I thought those little extinguishers looked interesting but too good to be true.

They are not particularly cheap, are single use (even the smallest ones usually cost £80-90 and after use you bin it, whereas most conventional extinguishers can be recharged/recycled) and once started you cannot turn them off. They also aren't terribly common either, so you have to go hunting to find one. So there are downsides, but the positives (run time, size and weight) crushingly outweigh the negatives for something in the car IMHO.

Edited by DiscoColin on Tuesday 10th December 10:30

[ianmcg]

DiscoColin said:

ianmcg said:

I thought those little extinguishers looked interesting but too good to be true.

They are not particularly cheap, are single use (even the smallest ones usually cost £80-90 and after use you bin it, whereas most conventional extinguishers can be recharged/recycled) and once started you cannot turn them off. They also aren't terribly common either, so you have to go hunting to find one. So there are downsides, but the positives (run time, size and weight) crushingly outweigh the negatives for something in the car IMHO.

Edited by DiscoColin on Tuesday 10th December 10:30

All true but the actually biggest downside seems to be this:

"According to the tests performed by the competent national authorities, the products did no extinguish a solvent fire, a small burning wood pile, a burning coffee-maker or a burning paper waste-basket. Some of the extinguishers were even found to accelerate burning. The products give a false sense of safety, and it is not possible to ensure the efficiency of the products before use."

Ian

[fergus]

ianmcg said:

All true but the actually biggest downside seems to be this:

"According to the tests performed by the competent national authorities, the products did no extinguish a solvent fire, a small burning wood pile, a burning coffee-maker or a burning paper waste-basket. Some of the extinguishers were even found to accelerate burning. The products give a false sense of safety, and it is not possible to ensure the efficiency of the products before use."

Ian

My real world experience of an underbonnet fire caused by a failed fixing of the fuel pressure regulator, hence neat fuel (pressurised) everywhere, is that the "fireeater" put out the flames in about 5 seconds, whilst the AFF extinguisher had about 20 secs and didn't do the job.

"competant authorities" or not, I'll stick with one of the these and a std extinguisher thanks. Once you've experienced a car fire, then a choice of ways to extinguish it is always welcome.