Are Diffs vaguely the same across most vehicles?
Are Diffs vaguely the same across most vehicles?
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Sump

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5,512 posts

197 months

Sunday 8th December 2013
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Maybe very vague this but my tip Porsche has an issue with the diff. It's a rare tiptronic that no one ever sees and has experience of. I have found what the issue is but I can fix it as I am no good.

The issue is it knocks when going on and off throttle. A chap in the USA has had the same issue as me and has sorted it and said this which makes little to no sense to me:

Well after a bit of effort I have hopefully solved the differential problem I was having. Just to recap, my diff was making a progressively louder clacking noise when accelerating or decelerating. After checking for loose trans/engine mounts and other suspension parts I finally narrowed it down to the differential.

At this point decided to readjust the shims beneath the cups. The procedure I used was similar to that described for the GT2 (couldn't find any info for the 996tt tip). The first step was to determine the total width of S1 + S2. To do this I added 1mm to both and measured the remaining play to be 0.5mm. To this I added 0.35mm preload for a S1+S2 total of 2mm +0.5mm +0.4mm. In the end the optimal backlash was found by using a 1mm stack height for S1 and 1.85mm for S2 (as close as I could get to 1.9mm using the shims on hand).

Would someone who sees diffs day in day out be able to sort this out? From what I undertstand it appears to just need some sort of shim backlash fix type job?

jkh112

23,947 posts

188 months

Sunday 8th December 2013
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I may be wrong, but I think all GT2 996 Porsches are manual and have a plate type LSD. I also understand that porsche did not fit a LSD type differential to any tiptronic 996.
I am not sure why your car is so rare, the tiptronic boxes in 996s are very common, the later boxes are the same basic unit as used by Mercedes.

McWigglebum4th

32,414 posts

234 months

Sunday 8th December 2013
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I can't imagine that the manual diff being that different from the tiptronic one

But being a transaxle it might be a damn tricky job to actually get to it

996TT02

3,342 posts

170 months

Sunday 8th December 2013
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If that's the issue then someone who knows diffs will be able to sort out the backlash, yes.

As to whether it is fixable in situ - no idea.

Sump

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5,512 posts

197 months

Sunday 8th December 2013
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Sorry my car is a 996 carrera tip. The usa guide used a gt2 tiptronic as a guide as we couldn't find one for our car.

My plan is to drop the engine and hand over the tip box to whoever.

Sump

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5,512 posts

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Sunday 8th December 2013
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jkh112 said:
I am not sure why your car is so rare, the tiptronic boxes in 996s are very common, the later boxes are the same basic unit as used by Mercedes.
The internals are common as anything but the symptoms for my tippy is rare with the diff .

_gez_

1,013 posts

224 months

Sunday 8th December 2013
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You should speak to Ken at Nine Exellence. He has plenty of experience with the tip gearboxes.

Sump

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_gez_ said:
You should speak to Ken at Nine Exellence. He has plenty of experience with the tip gearboxes.
Excellent , this person will definitely be able to sort my issue out . That's my very tranny!

http://www.nineexcellence.com/performance/transmis...

Pumaracing

2,089 posts

237 months

Monday 9th December 2013
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Sump said:
Maybe very vague this but my tip Porsche has an issue with the diff. It's a rare tiptronic that no one ever sees and has experience of. I have found what the issue is but I can fix it as I am no good.

The issue is it knocks when going on and off throttle. A chap in the USA has had the same issue as me and has sorted it and said this which makes little to no sense to me:

Well after a bit of effort I have hopefully solved the differential problem I was having. Just to recap, my diff was making a progressively louder clacking noise when accelerating or decelerating. After checking for loose trans/engine mounts and other suspension parts I finally narrowed it down to the differential.

At this point decided to readjust the shims beneath the cups. The procedure I used was similar to that described for the GT2 (couldn't find any info for the 996tt tip). The first step was to determine the total width of S1 + S2. To do this I added 1mm to both and measured the remaining play to be 0.5mm. To this I added 0.35mm preload for a S1+S2 total of 2mm +0.5mm +0.4mm. In the end the optimal backlash was found by using a 1mm stack height for S1 and 1.85mm for S2 (as close as I could get to 1.9mm using the shims on hand).

Would someone who sees diffs day in day out be able to sort this out? From what I undertstand it appears to just need some sort of shim backlash fix type job?
Other than he's explained it rather poorly and his maths is slightly to cock it makes perfect sense to me. He determined that the no-load clearance in the unit with no shims at all was 2.50mm. He did this by adding a total of 2mm of shims to start with (1mm to each side) and then measured that there was a further 0.50mm clearance with feeler gauges. Any starting point that gave a bit of easily measurable clearance would have sufficed. He just chose to start at 2.0mm.

He wanted the preload to be 0.35mm hence a requirement for a total of 2.85mm of shims (2.50 + 0.35). He achieved this by fitting a 1mm shim to one side and a 1.85mm shim to the other. Simples.

Sump

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5,512 posts

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Monday 9th December 2013
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I would tackle it myself but would be far too worried about cocking it up tbh.

Sump

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Monday 9th December 2013
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_gez_ said:
You should speak to Ken at Nine Exellence. He has plenty of experience with the tip gearboxes.
Said there isn't any adjustment in them and warrants needing a new tip...Hmm