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Alex93

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115 posts

148 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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I don't know how complicated it would be to do but would all-wheel-drive be possible in an Ultima? Has it been done?
Alex

andygtt

8,345 posts

286 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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I once looked over an AWD sport at autocar, it has 2 hayabusa engines in the rear, one driving the front, the other driving the rear.

It wasn't lighter than a standard sport and I have no idea how practical / good it was

chuntington101

5,733 posts

258 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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Would be difficult to do with anything other than motor bike engines (the car Andy is talking about was a Z-Cars built ultima GTR that used two turbo Haybusa motorbike engines and gearboxes).

The only way i can see it working is is you used a Lambo / Audi R8 engine and trans combo or a suitable aftermarket alternative. You would still need to run a shaft (well several, with joints) from right at the rear of the car to the front. There you would need to house a diff and probably move the dampers (using push rods) as well as run front drive shafts. Getting the diff in the middle of the front wheels could be tricky as well as the shaft would be coming down one side of the car.

This should allow you to run a normal engine in there, but the LS might not work anymore with the addition of the drive shaft. You would probably have to change the engine mounts and loose the passenger seat to make way for the shaft.

The only other way i could see it working is if you turned the engine 180 degrees and mounted the trans (a conventional gearbox with center diff) in front of the engine (moving the engine back quite a bit). You would then have a pretty straight shot at the front diff but would still need a shaft down the side of the engine for the rear diff.

You are going to loose significant cabin space with this method to accommodate the gearbox, but might move the wight more central in the car (no gearbox hanging out behind the rear wheels). Interestingly this is the method used by Quafie for their 4WD GT car back in the 90's (before it got band).

Think if you really want to go down the 4WD route it would be better to start off with your own chassis (see GTRCLIVE's thread in the kit car section for starters) as you can then mount things where they are needed rather than modding a current chassis.

Alex93

Original Poster:

115 posts

148 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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I was thinking out-loud more than anything in all honesty. Interesting thought though

ezakimak

1,871 posts

258 months

Friday 27th December 2013
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didnt Audi use a hybrid kers unit on the front wheels of last years lmp car.

GtrMan

134 posts

171 months

Friday 27th December 2013
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There is also a Lancia 037 which has normal engine on the back and electric motor on front wheels...

Captain Slog

375 posts

219 months

chuntington101

5,733 posts

258 months

Saturday 28th December 2013
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ezakimak said:
didnt Audi use a hybrid kers unit on the front wheels of last years lmp car.
Porsche used Kers in their 911 RSR. Worked VERY well for them.

leem5

243 posts

238 months

Saturday 28th December 2013
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ezakimak said:
didnt Audi use a hybrid kers unit on the front wheels of last years lmp car.
I believe they did use something along those lines this year.

Verde

506 posts

210 months

Sunday 29th December 2013
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I can't imagine the misery of trying to run a driveline forward from the (mid-) engine compartment through a passenger compartment, firewall, et al never designed to accomdate it. Running an electric KERS thingie in the front seems relatively straightforward but the energy recovery and storage capabilities added to the complexity of the software system to drive it all is the work of a BIG CAR COMPANY (all caps for the gravity of the challenge!).
I'm surprised that the dual Suzuki power doesn't save any weight though dual gearboxes (presumably) must be the reason.
I know this is just a thought experiment (as was my repowering with a non-V8 engine thread was) I'd suggest that if you are looking for an AWD lightweight mid-engine car, you start with a LaFerrari and work it from there. smile
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