Why doesn't Aston Martin use Mclaren's comfy suspension??
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After having watched many reviews of Aston Martins and of Mclaren 12c, it seems as if Mclaren has a very good suspension system without anti-rollbars that has both excellent comfort and gives perfect handling.
While Aston Martins seem to be way too harsh and still not as sporty as the Mclarens.
The suspension in the Mclaren is from Tenneco Kinetic and I was wondering if someone on this forum has contacts in Aston Martin that could be told about this.
Hopefully, in the near future we will have Aston Martins with AMG engines and really good suspensions!
Then I would certainly purchase one
While Aston Martins seem to be way too harsh and still not as sporty as the Mclarens.
The suspension in the Mclaren is from Tenneco Kinetic and I was wondering if someone on this forum has contacts in Aston Martin that could be told about this.
Hopefully, in the near future we will have Aston Martins with AMG engines and really good suspensions!
Then I would certainly purchase one
The stock aston suspension is great. Much better than the vast majority of "sports saloons". If you go for the sports suspension on the V8s then it's a bit on the hard side, but it's the same basic bits (different shocks and things, but same other bits IIRC) as they used on the endurance racers until a few years ago, so it would be.
I hear good things about aftermarket switchable suspension too, but that gets pricey.
I hear good things about aftermarket switchable suspension too, but that gets pricey.
karldiesen said:
After having watched many reviews of Aston Martins and of Mclaren 12c, it seems as if Mclaren has a very good suspension system without anti-rollbars that has both excellent comfort and gives perfect handling.
While Aston Martins seem to be way too harsh and still not as sporty as the Mclarens.
The suspension in the Mclaren is from Tenneco Kinetic and I was wondering if someone on this forum has contacts in Aston Martin that could be told about this.
Hopefully, in the near future we will have Aston Martins with AMG engines and really good suspensions!
Then I would certainly purchase one
I'm sure Gaydon will be standing by their phones eagerly awaiting your call.While Aston Martins seem to be way too harsh and still not as sporty as the Mclarens.
The suspension in the Mclaren is from Tenneco Kinetic and I was wondering if someone on this forum has contacts in Aston Martin that could be told about this.
Hopefully, in the near future we will have Aston Martins with AMG engines and really good suspensions!
Then I would certainly purchase one
karldiesen said:
After having watched many reviews of Aston Martins and of Mclaren 12c, it seems as if Mclaren has a very good suspension system without anti-rollbars that has both excellent comfort and gives perfect handling.
While Aston Martins seem to be way too harsh and still not as sporty as the Mclarens.
The suspension in the Mclaren is from Tenneco Kinetic and I was wondering if someone on this forum has contacts in Aston Martin that could be told about this.
Hopefully, in the near future we will have Aston Martins with AMG engines and really good suspensions!
Then I would certainly purchase one
Karl, I'm sure there are many top end sports car comparisons of handling, performance, looks, that you could have quoted and probably a few of them would carry some merit BUT,,,,,with respect, your post, unless you have actually driven both an Aston and Mclaren, is of little real value and to the readers here, just a tad pointless and although you probably didn't intend it to be, verging on provocative, sorry. While Aston Martins seem to be way too harsh and still not as sporty as the Mclarens.
The suspension in the Mclaren is from Tenneco Kinetic and I was wondering if someone on this forum has contacts in Aston Martin that could be told about this.
Hopefully, in the near future we will have Aston Martins with AMG engines and really good suspensions!
Then I would certainly purchase one
Y100 said:
karldiesen said:
After having watched many reviews of Aston Martins and of Mclaren 12c, it seems as if Mclaren has a very good suspension system without anti-rollbars that has both excellent comfort and gives perfect handling.
While Aston Martins seem to be way too harsh and still not as sporty as the Mclarens.
The suspension in the Mclaren is from Tenneco Kinetic and I was wondering if someone on this forum has contacts in Aston Martin that could be told about this.
Hopefully, in the near future we will have Aston Martins with AMG engines and really good suspensions!
Then I would certainly purchase one
Karl, I'm sure there are many top end sports car comparisons of handling, performance, looks, that you could have quoted and probably a few of them would carry some merit BUT,,,,,with respect, your post, unless you have actually driven both an Aston and Mclaren, is of little real value and to the readers here, just a tad pointless and although you probably didn't intend it to be, verging on provocative, sorry. While Aston Martins seem to be way too harsh and still not as sporty as the Mclarens.
The suspension in the Mclaren is from Tenneco Kinetic and I was wondering if someone on this forum has contacts in Aston Martin that could be told about this.
Hopefully, in the near future we will have Aston Martins with AMG engines and really good suspensions!
Then I would certainly purchase one
Either way, does anyone who remotely understands cars, or is in a position to buy cars like these, seriously make these sort of naïve, uniformed comments ? This is put bluntly a teenager, a troll or an idiot
The McLaren suspension in derived from race cars with hydraulic roll compensation between sides
Their roads cars are the ONLY ones that use it on the road. its expensive and complicates
Nowt wrong with ARB's on road cars, in fact some cars don't need them at all!
Very interesting article on the MP4-12C suspension from a few years back
http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/track-tests/201...
BTW many companies are achieving the same effect with electromagnetic dampers (including Aston
)
Their roads cars are the ONLY ones that use it on the road. its expensive and complicates
Nowt wrong with ARB's on road cars, in fact some cars don't need them at all!
Very interesting article on the MP4-12C suspension from a few years back
http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/track-tests/201...
BTW many companies are achieving the same effect with electromagnetic dampers (including Aston
)mikey k said:
The McLaren suspension in derived from race cars with hydraulic roll compensation between sides
Their roads cars are the ONLY ones that use it on the road. its expensive and complicates
Nowt wrong with ARB's on road cars, in fact some cars don't need them at all!
Very interesting article on the MP4-12C suspension from a few years back
http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/track-tests/201...
BTW many companies are achieving the same effect with electromagnetic dampers (including Aston )
Thats not quite the same thing though,thats just having multiple modes for relative hardness. The McLaren principal is unique and highly effective.Their roads cars are the ONLY ones that use it on the road. its expensive and complicates
Nowt wrong with ARB's on road cars, in fact some cars don't need them at all!
Very interesting article on the MP4-12C suspension from a few years back
http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/track-tests/201...
BTW many companies are achieving the same effect with electromagnetic dampers (including Aston
)Not unlike the Hydro-elastic suspension that Metros had in the 80's
Certainly 12Cs ride like magic carpets without undue loss of control, its very clever. The only drawback is the open diff which spoils play time a bit.
'Not unlike the Hydro-elastic suspension that Metros had in the 80's'
Umm - Metro and MGF was Hydragas - side to side at the back and independent at the front I think - and very effective for a small car.
The Mini (64-68),1100, 1800 etc was hydrolastic, though connected front to rear only as far as I recall.
Umm - Metro and MGF was Hydragas - side to side at the back and independent at the front I think - and very effective for a small car.
The Mini (64-68),1100, 1800 etc was hydrolastic, though connected front to rear only as far as I recall.
Dblue said:
mikey k said:
The McLaren suspension in derived from race cars with hydraulic roll compensation between sides
Their roads cars are the ONLY ones that use it on the road. its expensive and complicates
Nowt wrong with ARB's on road cars, in fact some cars don't need them at all!
Very interesting article on the MP4-12C suspension from a few years back
http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/track-tests/201...
BTW many companies are achieving the same effect with electromagnetic dampers (including Aston )
Thats not quite the same thing though,thats just having multiple modes for relative hardness. The McLaren principal is unique and highly effective.Their roads cars are the ONLY ones that use it on the road. its expensive and complicates
Nowt wrong with ARB's on road cars, in fact some cars don't need them at all!
Very interesting article on the MP4-12C suspension from a few years back
http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/track-tests/201...
BTW many companies are achieving the same effect with electromagnetic dampers (including Aston
)Not unlike the Hydro-elastic suspension that Metros had in the 80's
Certainly 12Cs ride like magic carpets without undue loss of control, its very clever. The only drawback is the open diff which spoils play time a bit.
Mclaren, BL and Citroen when the hydraulic route.
As you say the
john ryan said:
The Mini (64-68),1100, 1800 etc was hydrolastic, though connected front to rear only as far as I recall.
Yes, you are correct - front to rear.
Hydrolastic suspension was introduced on Minis in September 1964.
Hydrolastic suspension was not admired by Mini racers at the time, so they converted the cars to 'dry' and tinkered from there.
If you want a Mk1 dry suspended 998cc Mini Cooper, it would have to be one from the first eight months of 1964. However, a low mileage all-original (if you can find one), would now cost over £20,000. Might be better off with a DB7 for the same money, or wait for a Vantage after it is replaced by a new model.
Edited by Jon39 on Friday 13th December 11:02
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