18k miles/yr, reliable and cheap...
18k miles/yr, reliable and cheap...
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anonymous-user

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84 months

Thursday 12th December 2013
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I'm doing 18k miles a year commuting, plus another 5 or 6k private mileage. It's costing quite a lot at 28mpg in the Saab, not to mention a big heavy car wasted on a 30mile s/c commute.

The obvious choice is to change to diesel. But what?

Requirements: 40mpg mixed, 50mpg on a motorway run at 70 mph.
Manual, mainly because of the mpg requirements.
Would prefer something relatively practical - a hatchback at the very least. I kayak and cycle so would be carrying boats on the roof and paddles/bikes in the boot. Leather would be preferable due to muddy gear/bike/boat stuff.
Not French. Repeat, nothing French. No issues over image.
Now the 2 key parts.
Reliability - with routine servicing etc obviously
and
Sub £3k.

Not easy. Am I better off looking at a Focus, something like that? How reliable IS older VAG stuff?

LPG the current 9-5? It's on 120k already. Does that matter?

I'm so confused. I just know that it sucks to put £100 in my tank just to get to work for a week.

Thanks for reading a st thread.

Krikkit

27,938 posts

211 months

Thursday 12th December 2013
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Sounds like a case for a V70 D5 to me. Epic seats, great stereo, 45-50mpg on a run, plenty of room for boats, bikes, etc.

http://www2.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...


anonymous-user

Original Poster:

84 months

Thursday 12th December 2013
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Thanks! Now that would be ideal, something I'd swap the Saab for in a heartbeat - none near me though. Not without SILLY miles! Don't they do a part-time AWD version too?

That might be what I keep my eyes out for. Are they as reliable as Saab, anecdotally? I've not been let down by my Aero once.

Igurisu

146 posts

168 months

Thursday 12th December 2013
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Skoda Fabia? The 1.4 engine is nowhere near as powerful as the Volvo but as a daily hack you'll get great economy and should be good for plenty of miles.


http://www2.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

eltax91

10,769 posts

236 months

Thursday 12th December 2013
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LPG the Saab. As long as there are stations near home/ work or half way along the commute then you'll hardly ever use petrol and will keep the costs way down

I've just spent £1300 having a premium brand system installed, complete with the valve saving flashlube system. It'll cut my accord from 18ppm to about 13ppm.

Diesel fuel costs, petrol enjoyment. biggrin

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

84 months

Thursday 12th December 2013
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15 seconds to 60... I don't know if I could stomach that! Although you do get a lot of modernity for your money. If it had another 50bhp then it'd be a whack more attractive. Thanks for the suggestion though smile

Chris_VRS

2,454 posts

223 months

Thursday 12th December 2013
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Octavia 1.9TDI or a slightly higher miles Fabia VRS? - both bombproof providing they've been serviced properly smile

RizzoTheRat

28,993 posts

222 months

Thursday 12th December 2013
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Octavia would be a better bet than the Fabia if you're wanting storage space, the boot on them is huge. I average 47mpg from my vRS and averaged over 60mpg on a 150 mile motorway run yesterday.

I ran my ZX to 198k miles before anything expensive went wrong, most reliable car I ever owned if that's what's putting you off French cars.

Mondeo diesel is nice drive and masses of space.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

220 months

Thursday 12th December 2013
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OpulentBob said:
Reliability - with routine servicing etc obviously
Curious, but how do you measure or define this? I only ask, as every what car thread always says "must be reliable", no matter what cars might be in question.

But what exactly is it? Or rather, what isn't reliable?

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

220 months

Thursday 12th December 2013
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How about something like this. Suspect there are worse places to sit.

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/j...



IanMorewood

4,309 posts

278 months

Thursday 12th December 2013
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Mondeo TDCI ticks pretty much all the boxes, a quick search shows a 2006 Ghia with 57k in your budget, that should manage 26k a year for the next five or six years without many issues.

Bonefish Blues

36,637 posts

253 months

Thursday 12th December 2013
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eltax91 said:
LPG the Saab. As long as there are stations near home/ work or half way along the commute then you'll hardly ever use petrol and will keep the costs way down

I've just spent £1300 having a premium brand system installed, complete with the valve saving flashlube system. It'll cut my accord from 18ppm to about 13ppm.

Diesel fuel costs, petrol enjoyment. biggrin
OP - this is good advice.

Our gassed 9-5 Aero is on 124K and all's fine. Mpg on these, as you will already know is highly dependent on the type of miles you do, but on decent mixed journeys we get high 20s/low 30s on gas (ours is an auto, which depresses mpg somewhat), so well into the 40s mpg on an equivalent basis.

Note the Saab doesn't need a Flashlube system, unlike the Accord.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

84 months

Thursday 12th December 2013
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Octavia is a good shout, I quite like those. Especially an estate - anonymous and very practical.

300, I know any car can/could be a pup but (for example) my experience of Frenchies is that they fall apart. I can't be wondering if it's not going to start in the morning, like maybe an old Espace, or if a Mondeo is prone to DMF's then I would call that unreliable. It's very much a case of "how long is a piece of string", I know. If I could have my old X-reg Polo breadvan back, I'd use that - simple, solid, ultra reliable.

I had a ZX, floor was rotten, keys snapped, electrics were awful, handbrake came off in my hand, etc. Dad had a Renault 19, very similar. Friend bought a Citroen Saxo from new, drove it home and found the suspension shoulder bolts (top of the strut) were only finger tight, another friend had a Xsara Picasso, it's awful, my bosses old 307 gave him problems from Day 1. Sorry, def no French cars.

LPGing the Saab seems a sensible idea though. I know the gearbox is good, new brakes, good seats, toys, speed, etc. If I could get it to 40+mpg equivalence, I'd be more than happy!

Thanks for the input all, happy to hear more smile

dapearson

4,456 posts

254 months

Thursday 12th December 2013
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Go japanese.

My avensis has been great but it feels a bit dated, the 2.0 petrol engine is fine, but only 33 mpg average. I'd like a few more toys too and possibly auto, and also want cheaper running costs. However, i don't want a diesel.

My pick would be an Accord estate 2.4, or Lexus SportCross 3.0, both running LPG

Garett

1,685 posts

222 months

Thursday 12th December 2013
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You're in a similar position to me, I sold my saab 9000 for a volvo S60 D5. If you like your Swedish barges then the diesel volvo is hard to beat, the saab diesels are a bit pants in comparison.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

84 months

Friday 13th December 2013
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Bonefish - did you get the system installed yourself? Who did you use? I'm now searching for recommended LPG installers, but the reports vary wildly. I've had a browse on lpgforum.co.uk, but that smacks of a lot of self-promotion...

Alternatively, anyone know any reputable installers in the SE?

Bonefish Blues

36,637 posts

253 months

Friday 13th December 2013
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No, it came with the car.

I agree re that Forum - it's hard to get objective information.

The original install was done by an outfit in Herts but were I putting one in another vehicle I'd speak to Kenny who owns Oxford Autogas http://www.oxfordautogas.com/ He services mine and is a decent guy.

Mine's a Prins system but Kenny generally prefers BRC IIRC, for their greater adjustability

seismic22

662 posts

199 months

Friday 13th December 2013
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If your not going to LPG the Saab then a Mondeo TDCI 130 / 155 seem like a good punt. The victim of massive depreciation subsequent means you get a lot of car for little money. Seem to be screwed together well, reliable, good MPG, cheap servicing and parts, plenty big enough for all your gear and the possibility for you to have some cash left over from your 3k. Get a reasonably spec'd one and they are a nice place to sit and personally still think they dont look too bad.

I havent owned one but know a few people who sucessfully have including the old man who's current 130 estate that is sat on 110k after having completed the last 40k with nothing other than a power steering pump (changed on the drive) and normal servicing. It lives with him in France now and see's 40 something mpg all the time despite spending a large percentage of its time sat at triple mph figures.

Zoobeef

6,004 posts

188 months

Friday 13th December 2013
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Something with the 1.9 130bhp PD engine.
Audi, VW or Skoda

Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

197 months

Friday 13th December 2013
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Zoobeef said:
Something with the 1.9 130bhp PD engine.
Audi, VW or Skoda
A friend of mine bought a young MKIII Golf TDI with huge mileage on it. It had been a couriers car which explained the high mileage. He bought it expecting it to go on and on. The engine was fine but the rest of the car fell to bit around it. What I'm getting at is that a diesel engine won't make the whole car more durable.

Were I the OP I'd keep the car I had and run it into the ground