DTEC 2014 Racing Calender
Discussion
Race dates from John and Geoff today ,provisional but all being well this will be the calender for next season.
May 17th/18th Rockingham 2 Races.
June 14th/15th Brands Hatch 2 Races.
July 12th/13th Snetterton 2 Races.
August 9th/10th Anglesey 3 Races.
October 11th Oulton Park 1 Race (25mins) + End of Season Dinner.
May 17th/18th Rockingham 2 Races.
June 14th/15th Brands Hatch 2 Races.
July 12th/13th Snetterton 2 Races.
August 9th/10th Anglesey 3 Races.
October 11th Oulton Park 1 Race (25mins) + End of Season Dinner.
I wish we had more dates although happy to be back @ Brands especially after our recent TD fun!
Is there a particular reason we only have 10 dates?
Racing Spa in 2014 is a must for me, i'm even prepared to buy the closed bonnet& ducting as seen on the Gulf Tuscan so as to get in future classics!!
Is there a particular reason we only have 10 dates?
Racing Spa in 2014 is a must for me, i'm even prepared to buy the closed bonnet& ducting as seen on the Gulf Tuscan so as to get in future classics!!
Christian, JR told me a couple of years back he doesnt want too many dates to keep the numbers up (plus as they are mainly dh we get same amount of races for half the travel as many other series). Makes a full season for me more doable too!
Re: cscc - if all else fails you can run in their modsports type series, basically anything goes! Baby bertha (now driven by Joe Ward, really nice guy!) A mega powerful lotus carton amd other stuff - could be fun for you?? ;-)
Re: cscc - if all else fails you can run in their modsports type series, basically anything goes! Baby bertha (now driven by Joe Ward, really nice guy!) A mega powerful lotus carton amd other stuff - could be fun for you?? ;-)
ctsdave said:
Christian, JR told me a couple of years back he doesnt want too many dates to keep the numbers up (plus as they are mainly dh we get same amount of races for half the travel as many other series). Makes a full season for me more doable too!
Re: cscc - if all else fails you can run in their modsports type series, basically anything goes! Baby bertha (now driven by Joe Ward, really nice guy!) A mega powerful lotus carton amd other stuff - could be fun for you?? ;-)
Yeah when I started we were doing 12 weekends but only 14 races are most were single headers.. makes it hard to fit life in around the racing, once you add in weekends to work on the car and some testing..Re: cscc - if all else fails you can run in their modsports type series, basically anything goes! Baby bertha (now driven by Joe Ward, really nice guy!) A mega powerful lotus carton amd other stuff - could be fun for you?? ;-)
it does mean you miss out on some circuits each year, but as long as we vary them every year thats ok, and you can always do one offs with someone else.
last time i spoke to cscc about special saloons they were anti tuscan, but that may have changed with grid sizes. it is the only cscc champ that allows slicks iirc.
G
AJP Tuscan Challenge cars canrun in Modern Classics only whilst Rover V8s can race in both MC and Future Classics. As I have always stated, the cars have to run the original bonnet line without the intake trumpets and filters poking through! Cars run on any list 1B tyre.
I'm not sure about Special Saloons/ Modsports as that's not "my" series!
Our race at Spa in June (I think) is 2 x 30 min races - 1 race each on the sat and sun with no driver change in the races ie 1 driver in both or a different driver in each. Result is the aggregate of both races. The Spa races are for all series except the Swinging Sixties which have their own.
To do Spa you have to have done at least 2 other CSCC races before. Feel free to get in touch if you want to know more, we have a pretty good calendar available onthe CSCC website site.
I'm not sure about Special Saloons/ Modsports as that's not "my" series!
Our race at Spa in June (I think) is 2 x 30 min races - 1 race each on the sat and sun with no driver change in the races ie 1 driver in both or a different driver in each. Result is the aggregate of both races. The Spa races are for all series except the Swinging Sixties which have their own.
To do Spa you have to have done at least 2 other CSCC races before. Feel free to get in touch if you want to know more, we have a pretty good calendar available onthe CSCC website site.
Edited by andy97 on Saturday 14th December 19:25
Edited by andy97 on Saturday 14th December 19:28
andy97 said:
AJP Tuscan Challenge cars canrun in Modern Classics only whilst Rover V8s can race in both MC and Future Classics. As I have always stated, the cars have to run the original bonnet line without the intake trumpets and filters poking through! Cars run on any list 1B tyre.
I'm not sure about Special Saloons/ Modsports as that's not "my" series!
Our race at Spa in June (I think) is 2 x 30 min races - 1 race each on the sat and sun with no driver change in the races ie 1 driver in both or a different driver in each. Result is the aggregate of both races. The Spa races are for all series except the Swinging Sixties which have their own.
To do Spa you have to have done at least 2 other CSCC races before. Feel free to get in touch if you want to know more, we have a pretty good calendar available onthe CSCC website site.
Hi Andy,I'm not sure about Special Saloons/ Modsports as that's not "my" series!
Our race at Spa in June (I think) is 2 x 30 min races - 1 race each on the sat and sun with no driver change in the races ie 1 driver in both or a different driver in each. Result is the aggregate of both races. The Spa races are for all series except the Swinging Sixties which have their own.
To do Spa you have to have done at least 2 other CSCC races before. Feel free to get in touch if you want to know more, we have a pretty good calendar available onthe CSCC website site.
Edited by andy97 on Saturday 14th December 19:25
Edited by andy97 on Saturday 14th December 19:28
Thanks for posting, just to clarify if an AJP like myself & running in modern classics does the bonnet rule apply as i thought original AJP's always had the vents in the bonnet or is it "original" as in the sense of the first RV8 Tuscans? I just need to work in the cost's of the mods if that is the case
I'll check your calender to see about getting two races in beforehand.
Thanks
Hi Tim
Can't remember the induction on the gulf car but if my info is correct the original Rover cars took air from bottom of screen. Certainly when I sold Andy's car it was and my yellow one was from windscreen . In my opinion not a good idea as the air will be hot from warm air wash from engine/manifolds and I think that area is a low pressure rolling air spot not ideal, hence warm air getting dragged from under the bonnet. Both myself and Andy R changed that on our Rover cars. I think Andy did slightly more than I did but then I did some things Andy didn't. Never got chance to race Andy's Rover as he sold it so quickly (Why ) but according to Future classic's my car is front row material ( Damm that Ferrari
)Where are you taking air from on your Rover or are you going AJP ,hence Modern classic's? I know Darren on his red Rover car has gone down a different route to me using a side knacker duct I think. Not sure how it performs against the Ferrari bench mark but I think I remember him hanging in with it as well.
Can't remember the induction on the gulf car but if my info is correct the original Rover cars took air from bottom of screen. Certainly when I sold Andy's car it was and my yellow one was from windscreen . In my opinion not a good idea as the air will be hot from warm air wash from engine/manifolds and I think that area is a low pressure rolling air spot not ideal, hence warm air getting dragged from under the bonnet. Both myself and Andy R changed that on our Rover cars. I think Andy did slightly more than I did but then I did some things Andy didn't. Never got chance to race Andy's Rover as he sold it so quickly (Why ) but according to Future classic's my car is front row material ( Damm that Ferrari
)Where are you taking air from on your Rover or are you going AJP ,hence Modern classic's? I know Darren on his red Rover car has gone down a different route to me using a side knacker duct I think. Not sure how it performs against the Ferrari bench mark but I think I remember him hanging in with it as well.
As i understand it Reidy and John Ravenscroft developed the AJP airboxes as seen on the Gulf car (the second set which are longer)and on the green 2 seater (the first set,slightly shorter boxes).
They were of a design intended to suck air from the low pressure area at the base of the screen (and be more efficient than the filters through the bonnet) and but never made it on to the race cars.
On the few occasions ive driven the green car it felt appreciably quicker than other 4.5 AJP Tuscans - maybe this is due to the airboxes, although it could just have been the low hours engine that was fitted at the time (ive yet to drive it on its new engine).
The Rover engined car was built to CSCC FC rules as they stood a few years back i.e using Lucas 14CUX injection as per the "road" car, and a silhouette as near to that as possible.
With my Griff wet sump engine (300 BHP at the wheels)the NACA duct set seems to work quite well (now it's actually working
).
At the last FC race we ended up using a spare 3.9 air flow meter as the big bore modified one was playing up but were in 2nd pos when the race was red flagged early on.
Last time we tested it with a FINALLY sorted and modified AFM (only took 5 years !) we foundthat we've got a good Future Classics Tuscan spec that might even be competitive in DTEC B.
As we know ,FC induction rules are less restrictive these days so no need to use Lucas Injection but if you do the NACA duct set up is a good way of maintaining that important silhouette.
They were of a design intended to suck air from the low pressure area at the base of the screen (and be more efficient than the filters through the bonnet) and but never made it on to the race cars.
On the few occasions ive driven the green car it felt appreciably quicker than other 4.5 AJP Tuscans - maybe this is due to the airboxes, although it could just have been the low hours engine that was fitted at the time (ive yet to drive it on its new engine).
The Rover engined car was built to CSCC FC rules as they stood a few years back i.e using Lucas 14CUX injection as per the "road" car, and a silhouette as near to that as possible.
With my Griff wet sump engine (300 BHP at the wheels)the NACA duct set seems to work quite well (now it's actually working
).At the last FC race we ended up using a spare 3.9 air flow meter as the big bore modified one was playing up but were in 2nd pos when the race was red flagged early on.
Last time we tested it with a FINALLY sorted and modified AFM (only took 5 years !) we foundthat we've got a good Future Classics Tuscan spec that might even be competitive in DTEC B.
As we know ,FC induction rules are less restrictive these days so no need to use Lucas Injection but if you do the NACA duct set up is a good way of maintaining that important silhouette.
7 TVR said:
Hi Andy,
Thanks for posting, just to clarify if an AJP like myself & running in modern classics does the bonnet rule apply as i thought original AJP's always had the vents in the bonnet or is it "original" as in the sense of the first RV8 Tuscans? I just need to work in the cost's of the mods if that is the case
I'll check your calender to see about getting two races in beforehand.
Thanks
I'm afraid the bonnet rule does apply even in MC with the AJP engine. Quite simply we are stretching the eligibility rules with the Tuscan racers anyway as some people argue that they were not road cars, and certainly the AJP engine version wasn't! We allow them to race with us as we consider Tuscan to be "in the spirit of the regs" but the quid pro quo is that they have to run the original silhouette. Sorry!Thanks for posting, just to clarify if an AJP like myself & running in modern classics does the bonnet rule apply as i thought original AJP's always had the vents in the bonnet or is it "original" as in the sense of the first RV8 Tuscans? I just need to work in the cost's of the mods if that is the case
I'll check your calender to see about getting two races in beforehand.
Thanks
RetroWheels said:
As we know ,FC induction rules are less restrictive these days so no need to use Lucas Injection but if you do the NACA duct set up is a good way of maintaining that important silhouette.
Have you checked this interpretation of the FC regs with the CSCC office or the FC Drivers Rep? I'm the MC Drivers Rep so I can't comment on FC as I'm not sure!andy97 said:
RetroWheels said:
As we know ,FC induction rules are less restrictive these days so no need to use Lucas Injection but if you do the NACA duct set up is a good way of maintaining that important silhouette.
Have you checked this interpretation of the FC regs with the CSCC office or the FC Drivers Rep? I'm the MC Drivers Rep so I can't comment on FC as I'm not sure!In later seasons they eased off on this,allowing carbs etc - probably because there's only one RV8 Tuscan out there with an owner daft enought to fit Lucas 14CUX
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