Suspension choices on a Macan and must haves.
Discussion
Can someone of Porsche knowledge enlighten me on the benefits of the Air PASM over the steel sprung version.
Obviously we have the £1000 price difference..is it worth it bearing in mind the car will be driven on the road, does it really make a difference with the residual value or would I be better off using the £1000 for other goodies.
I will probably be speccing with either the 20/21 inch wheels.
As the model has yet to be released I would probably look to the Cayenne owners for their experience with the suspension.
In an ideal world my wife would like a comfortable ride (ooh err) but when I drive I need to make sure there is no boatiness.(if thats a word)
Any other recommended must haves for speccing being a non Porsche guy would be greatly appreciated
Thanks
Obviously we have the £1000 price difference..is it worth it bearing in mind the car will be driven on the road, does it really make a difference with the residual value or would I be better off using the £1000 for other goodies.
I will probably be speccing with either the 20/21 inch wheels.
As the model has yet to be released I would probably look to the Cayenne owners for their experience with the suspension.
In an ideal world my wife would like a comfortable ride (ooh err) but when I drive I need to make sure there is no boatiness.(if thats a word)
Any other recommended must haves for speccing being a non Porsche guy would be greatly appreciated
Thanks
I have no direct exp,but:
I have only ever heard very good things said about the Cayenne air suspension.
It has been suggested a "must have" for the Macan by several on here who usually speak sense!
The main "must have" is a petrol engine. In my view, you would be insane to buy a Macan over similar SUVs BECAUSE it is a Porsche and then get a diesel engine. It's kinda like spending £1000 on a suit and then doing a poo in the pocket.
I have only ever heard very good things said about the Cayenne air suspension.
It has been suggested a "must have" for the Macan by several on here who usually speak sense!
The main "must have" is a petrol engine. In my view, you would be insane to buy a Macan over similar SUVs BECAUSE it is a Porsche and then get a diesel engine. It's kinda like spending £1000 on a suit and then doing a poo in the pocket.
For what it's worth I have facelift 07 Cayenne on air and 21s which is brilliant, tried a top spec Touareg (so similar???) 4.2 V8 diesel on steel springs and ride was really poor and pitchy, totally unacceptable for vehicle of that price.
As a S/H purchaser no air would be deal breaker for me.
As a S/H purchaser no air would be deal breaker for me.
David W. said:
For what it's worth I have facelift 07 Cayenne on air and 21s which is brilliant, tried a top spec Touareg (so similar???) 4.2 V8 diesel on steel springs and ride was really poor and pitchy, totally unacceptable for vehicle of that price.
As a S/H purchaser no air would be deal breaker for me.
I've driven Cayennes with steel and with air and the difference is night and day - so air/pasm is at the top of my must-have list. PASM on its own is also very good. Much as I appreciate the petrol arguments, I was given a Panamera diesel for a week, was really impressed with the engine and stunned by the economy. I'm buying a nice-to-drive SUV, not a sports car, so long-range economy and relaxed torque count for a lot - if I want a car to drive like a 911, I'll take my 911. Actually going to keep my build slot open until I've had a chance to drive both, probably from April. Other essentials for me (living middle of Highlands) are heated everything and xenons. I'll probably also go for the all-weather tyres, which MIGHT save me needing yet another set of winter wheels. Other essentials are the 75l tank, park assist both ends and mobile phone prep (usb/iPod is standard with the CDR audio).As a S/H purchaser no air would be deal breaker for me.
After that, nice-to-haves are panorama roof, 'leccy seats, DAB, Bose, 20" Spyder wheels and ski bag. I'll go with the front & rear stainless aprons if they turn out to be actually useful rather than cosmetic bling.
I wouldn't have wheels bigger than 19" if I didn't have either PASM or PASM/air.
I see NO reason to pay £2k for a nav system that is comprehensively outperformed by a few quids' worth of iOS or Android app, so I'll be discreetly mounting an iPad mini for the purposes.
Edited by Technomad on Tuesday 17th December 19:09
Technomad said:
I see NO reason to pay £2k for a nav system that is comprehensively outperformed by a few quids' worth of iOS or Android app, so I'll be discreetly mounting an iPad mini for the purposes.
Remember the cost is for the PCM not just the Nav which may (or may not on the Macan) include things like IPhone integration for telephone and music. I would also wager the system is bolted into the optional TV system and I believe you needed PCM plus the TV tuner on the Cayenne in order to get the Porche LCD TV's in the rear seats for the kiddies.Edited by Technomad on Tuesday 17th December 19:09
I have not spend any time with the Macan literature so I don't know how all the options interoperate but just be careful leaving the PCM box un-checked.
Carl_Docklands said:
Remember the cost is for the PCM not just the Nav which may (or may not on the Macan) include things like IPhone integration for telephone and music. I would also wager the system is bolted into the optional TV system and I believe you needed PCM plus the TV tuner on the Cayenne in order to get the Porche LCD TV's in the rear seats for the kiddies.
I have not spend any time with the Macan literature so I don't know how all the options interoperate but just be careful leaving the PCM box un-checked.
My understanding from trawling through the brochure & talking to dealer is that the base fit CDR system includes the iPod/iPhone integration for music (still I think have to spec Bluetooth separately under mobile phone prep) so you don't now need to spec full PCM to get those. Can't comment on the TV side though but surely a pair of iPads mounted in the back would be way cheaper & more engrossing than any Porsche offering? I have not spend any time with the Macan literature so I don't know how all the options interoperate but just be careful leaving the PCM box un-checked.
My dad is into his Porsche's.
We had an older cayenne, 56 plate, which had the air suspension. We had nothing but problems with it. It would often just pop up with an error on the screen in the dials. I can't remember what was causing the problems, but after having it changed, it still managed to keep making faults.
That car was very good for making new faults whenever you got in it though, hence why my dad has bought the new Cayenne so that we have warranty instead.
The new Cayenne has normal springs rather than air ride, and is on 21/22 inch wheels (can't remember which) There seem's to be no difference in comfort compared to the older Cayenne (if anything the new is more comfortable). Obviously as im sure you will know, it will be harsher due to the bigger wheels, although the older Cayenne we had did have 20 inch wheels, so not too much difference compared to our new one.
It is very comfortable however, so although I haven't had the chance of being in the newer Cayenne with air ride, our one is still very very comfortable.
It also happens to be a Diesel, which apparently isn't a good thing according to someone who posted on here.
We find the 3.0 diesel to be more than adequate, and feels very torquey. It will also do around 45mpg on a run! It is much faster, and feels much more powerful than our old 3.2 petrol Cayenne.
I'd definitely recommend a diesel, which I know some people don't like as its a Porsche, but if you wanted a Porsche for all out fastness, you'd go buy a 911 Turbo. The diesel Cayenne is, or atleast feels faster than my dads New Boxster S (988 is it?).
I believe the Boxster will be going next year, in favor for the Panamera 4.2 Twin turbo Diesel.
We had an older cayenne, 56 plate, which had the air suspension. We had nothing but problems with it. It would often just pop up with an error on the screen in the dials. I can't remember what was causing the problems, but after having it changed, it still managed to keep making faults.
That car was very good for making new faults whenever you got in it though, hence why my dad has bought the new Cayenne so that we have warranty instead.
The new Cayenne has normal springs rather than air ride, and is on 21/22 inch wheels (can't remember which) There seem's to be no difference in comfort compared to the older Cayenne (if anything the new is more comfortable). Obviously as im sure you will know, it will be harsher due to the bigger wheels, although the older Cayenne we had did have 20 inch wheels, so not too much difference compared to our new one.
It is very comfortable however, so although I haven't had the chance of being in the newer Cayenne with air ride, our one is still very very comfortable.
It also happens to be a Diesel, which apparently isn't a good thing according to someone who posted on here.
We find the 3.0 diesel to be more than adequate, and feels very torquey. It will also do around 45mpg on a run! It is much faster, and feels much more powerful than our old 3.2 petrol Cayenne.
I'd definitely recommend a diesel, which I know some people don't like as its a Porsche, but if you wanted a Porsche for all out fastness, you'd go buy a 911 Turbo. The diesel Cayenne is, or atleast feels faster than my dads New Boxster S (988 is it?).
I believe the Boxster will be going next year, in favor for the Panamera 4.2 Twin turbo Diesel.
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