whats more mechanically sympathetic ?
whats more mechanically sympathetic ?
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WaferThinHam

1,680 posts

160 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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Drop to third. Nail it. [/PH Mode]

Buff Mchugelarge

3,316 posts

180 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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maverickdrives said:
WaferThinHam said:
Drop to third. Nail it. /PH Mode
surely that will mechanically over-rev the engine? since fifth gear at 3000 rpm gives me 60 mph
Well slow down first then.. Do we have to think of everything?
rolleyes

surveyor

18,691 posts

214 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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If it's straining in 5th, and you have the revs change down.

Otherwise leave it in 5th and take the time to build....

rallycross

13,754 posts

267 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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You should not labour the engine at low revs in a high gear if it's not designed to that - and a 1.2 petrol is not - and therefore is far less mechanically sympathetic struggling up in 5 th.

IanMorewood

4,309 posts

278 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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At 3k you're in a good place in the torque band, if not needing to go faster then maintain your existing gear.

WaferThinHam

1,680 posts

160 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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maverickdrives said:
so going in fourth gear at 4000 rpm is better than going at 3000 rpm in fifth where the acceleration is extremely slow or zero? I thought high-revs are what kills the engine, I never really go past 4000 rpm on my car ever unless I need it.
Grannying it everywhere isn't good for it either.

A mixture is. Nothing wrong with using the full rev range once it's warm.

M4cruiser

5,201 posts

180 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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Do what feels right, if you have a mechanically sympathetic mind.



Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

197 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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WaferThinHam said:
Grannying it everywhere isn't good for it either.

A mixture is. Nothing wrong with using the full rev range once it's warm.
This, put it to work.

Vladimir

6,917 posts

188 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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Drop to 1st, blow up the car, get a new one. It's more fun that way.

lincsls2

4,082 posts

170 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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Under the conditions you've described, I would expect a downshift to 4th to be needed in a 1.2 Corsa.
You could hold out it top, it may manage to build the speed, but back to your question it would be easier on the engine to drop a gear.
4000RPM is not particularly 'high' revs for a petrol engine car, you won't hurt it at these revs all day long. Holding your engine on the limiter for long periods of time probably will!

StoatInACoat

1,355 posts

215 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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maverickdrives said:
I dont know whats right, high revs make the car cry, high gear low revs feel like engine is working too hard
High revs = no problem, that's why you have a limiter wink Peak power is what you need to aim for which is probably around 4500rpm smile

Obviously there is a balance to it and bouncing it off the red line routinely is stupid/pointless and you're off the power anyway. Just keep dropping it down until it pulls harder and as said, it'll "feel" right.

Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

197 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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maverickdrives said:
I dont know whats right, high revs make the car cry, high gear low revs feel like engine is working too hard
If when you put your foot on the accelerator pedal it won't accelerate(assuming you've not run out of revs) you need to change down.

Your car will have a limiter to stop the engine flying to bits of you over rev it. It might not be the most refined engine you could buy it might sound harsh at high revs as long as it gets serviced it won't come to any harm. IIRC to get type approval to be sold in Europe your car has to be capable of running flat out because people can and do drive them flat out in Germany.

Giving it a good work out won't hurt it one bit.

Pixelpeep

8,991 posts

172 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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maverickdrives said:
i want to accelerate on an incline from 60mph to 70mph
maverickdrives said:
the car is full with five people
maverickdrives said:
its a corsa C 1.2L I am driving
This is one of those Oxymoron tests right?

WaferThinHam

1,680 posts

160 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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lincsls2 said:
Holding your engine on the limiter for long periods of time probably will!
Depends.

How long do they sit on engine dynos in testing just banging off the limiter? (Although they do have decent coolant flow)





lincsls2

4,082 posts

170 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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WaferThinHam said:
Depends.

How long do they sit on engine dynos in testing just banging off the limiter? (Although they do have decent coolant flow)
True, I know the makers usually bench test an engine like this to ensure durability, but I'm assuming this Corsa isn't new and may have a few thousand on the clock. Hitting the limiter occasionally will be harmless. ETA for a healthy engine!

WaferThinHam

1,680 posts

160 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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Totally agree.

Triumph Man

9,614 posts

198 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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Put it in reverse. dump clutch. Buy a car suitable for carrying 5 up an incline. You are going to do more harm than good labouring an engine than changing down before the incline and using the revs.

ADEuk

1,911 posts

266 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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maverickdrives said:
2. Downshift to fourth gear, rev match and then accelerate ?
scratchchin

Tango13

10,119 posts

206 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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Pull over to the side of the road, lift bonnet, fit turbocharger/supercharger/Nitrous Oxide/Large V8/all of the above and carry on.

red rider

212 posts

222 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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suppose I want to accelerate on an incline from 60mph to 70mph, the car is full with five people (including driver) and I am in fifth gear. what puts that less load/strain on the engine:
its a corsa C 1.2L I am driving.






I doubt if a Corsa 1.2 could make it up an incline with five people in.

Btw you should never labour a car in any gear, especially on an incline, have you passed your test?