scary hesitation - is this normal?
Discussion
In September I acquired a RRS red edition 3ltr SD and generally I am very happy with it.... bar one very annoying thing!
The engine is very responsive normally, but I have noticed that on overrun slowing for a junction, and subsequent squeezing of the throttle to take off again the thing hesitates for almost a second or two. Now for slow take-offs, that is fine and can be planned for, but it totally scuppers the idea of a quick get-away if needed (nothing to do with Bank robberies I might add). It can be very scary if you plant your foot and the beast just slowly crawls into traffic, then lunges forward without warning.
I can't remember this being a problem at all with my old Disco 2005, then I traded it for a new Freelander in 2008, which I didn't like at all - This feelander did the same thing, and LR seemed to latch on this problem, turned into a marketing feature calling it 'Soft-start' WHAA?
And so I vowed not to go the freelander route this time thinking it was only a freelander turbo spooling problem from idle....
Is this hesitation normal?
The engine is very responsive normally, but I have noticed that on overrun slowing for a junction, and subsequent squeezing of the throttle to take off again the thing hesitates for almost a second or two. Now for slow take-offs, that is fine and can be planned for, but it totally scuppers the idea of a quick get-away if needed (nothing to do with Bank robberies I might add). It can be very scary if you plant your foot and the beast just slowly crawls into traffic, then lunges forward without warning.
I can't remember this being a problem at all with my old Disco 2005, then I traded it for a new Freelander in 2008, which I didn't like at all - This feelander did the same thing, and LR seemed to latch on this problem, turned into a marketing feature calling it 'Soft-start' WHAA?
And so I vowed not to go the freelander route this time thinking it was only a freelander turbo spooling problem from idle....
Is this hesitation normal?
Having previously run two Disco3's, I found this to be a constant frustration - one of the few, very, very annoying parts of ownership. I also found that if you were on say an A road and making decent progress without much throttle opening, if you then came up behind a car and wanted some throttle to overtake, the response was poor - non-linear.
In a number of instances I found the fly-by-wire throttle to be intrusive and frustrating and, on occasion as you say, dangerous.
Certainly, you couldn't exit a t-junction with all four tyres smoking like my old 4.6 P38 RR Vogue could.
In a number of instances I found the fly-by-wire throttle to be intrusive and frustrating and, on occasion as you say, dangerous.
Certainly, you couldn't exit a t-junction with all four tyres smoking like my old 4.6 P38 RR Vogue could.
Not sure its just turbo/engine related, my Fl2 did this too. I actually think its the mapping associated for the right gear selection by the slush box.
Pulling away from junctions would normally be done in 2nd, you try and give it beans and the box brain (ECU) thinks hang on a minute I'll slip it inot 1st first, oh wait a minute I need to take a bit of power out of the engine first and so on. Before you know it, it seems like seconds before it starts to move away. Well thats my 'laymans' take on it.
Pulling away from junctions would normally be done in 2nd, you try and give it beans and the box brain (ECU) thinks hang on a minute I'll slip it inot 1st first, oh wait a minute I need to take a bit of power out of the engine first and so on. Before you know it, it seems like seconds before it starts to move away. Well thats my 'laymans' take on it.
Is this something that should be reported as a fault to the dealer. I seems pretty dangerous to me, especially if you find yourself in a situation where you need to move quickly to avoid a collision. It is somewhat unnerving too. You press the throttle.. nothing... press a bit more...not much.. then press a bit more again, and 'whoooosh!' you are launched unceremoniously into the traffic at a much faster pace than you expect!
It's also part of learning how to drive a different car. Sometimes there will be a hesitation, you just have to factor it into your actions.
Another way of looking at it: If you're pulling into that tight a gap, maybe you need to ask if it was actually the right move to be making in the first place??
M
Another way of looking at it: If you're pulling into that tight a gap, maybe you need to ask if it was actually the right move to be making in the first place??
M
camel_landy said:
It's also part of learning how to drive a different car. Sometimes there will be a hesitation, you just have to factor it into your actions.
Another way of looking at it: If you're pulling into that tight a gap, maybe you need to ask if it was actually the right move to be making in the first place??
M
CL, Don't get me wrong, yes you do adjust your driving style to compensate and I really enjoyed my LR, so much so, I keep browsing for Series, D90's, D1/2's and even RR Classics as a potential third car.Another way of looking at it: If you're pulling into that tight a gap, maybe you need to ask if it was actually the right move to be making in the first place??
M
However I have owned and driven many types of cars but the 'hesitation' experienced by me on the FL2 is markedly different to any other slush box I have experienced. It would seem that D3/D4 owners are saying a simialr thing. Might just be something in it.
camel_landy said:
It's also part of learning how to drive a different car. Sometimes there will be a hesitation, you just have to factor it into your actions.
Another way of looking at it: If you're pulling into that tight a gap, maybe you need to ask if it was actually the right move to be making in the first place??
M
Don't mind a bit of 'predictable' hesitation, but mine is fairly extreme, and unnerving. Never drove anything as bad as this - even the Freelander with its... 'soft-start' was way better than this. My 2005 Disco did not suffer from this at all. It was no race-car from the blocks, but not this sort of problem.Another way of looking at it: If you're pulling into that tight a gap, maybe you need to ask if it was actually the right move to be making in the first place??
M
HarryW said:
CL, Don't get me wrong, yes you do adjust your driving style to compensate and I really enjoyed my LR, so much so, I keep browsing for Series, D90's, D1/2's and even RR Classics as a potential third car.
However I have owned and driven many types of cars but the 'hesitation' experienced by me on the FL2 is markedly different to any other slush box I have experienced. It would seem that D3/D4 owners are saying a simialr thing. Might just be something in it.
I'm mainly playing 'devils advocate' here but I know what you're on about as I have experienced the 'lag' myself. However, once experienced, I adjusted my driving style to suit (i.e. I wait for a bigger gap). However I have owned and driven many types of cars but the 'hesitation' experienced by me on the FL2 is markedly different to any other slush box I have experienced. It would seem that D3/D4 owners are saying a simialr thing. Might just be something in it.
M
camel_landy said:
It's also part of learning how to drive a different car. Sometimes there will be a hesitation, you just have to factor it into your actions.
Another way of looking at it: If you're pulling into that tight a gap, maybe you need to ask if it was actually the right move to be making in the first place??
M
you are joking right? OP no this is not right get it looked at. mine does not do this.Another way of looking at it: If you're pulling into that tight a gap, maybe you need to ask if it was actually the right move to be making in the first place??
M
Used to happen on my first Sport (4.2 HST) - coasting to a junction/roundabout to a near stop then accelerate there was sometimes a pause - seemed like ages but probably on a fraction of a second - where nothing happened. The garage updated the firmware and reset the box, which 'learns' your driving style, a few times but didn't help. I think it was the 'box getting ready to go into first gear at the same time as me trying to accelerate. Scary if you are 'nipping' in front of a car.
Ranger 6 said:
It's not just RRs - I've got into the habit of flicking the gear lever into Sport at junctions, roundabouts and whenever I think I may need a quick(er) response.
I do the same but still find the lag unacceptable in my 2.7 RRS. I have the same box in a BMW 525d and that's not great but the Sport is in a different league. It's not turbo lag, it's definitely in the mapping. I find if I knock into sport and down to 1st it's still incredibly laggy. To suggest that it's something to be learnt is ridiculous once you've experienced it but I agree that you adapt your driving to suit. Yes- you can learn to accommodate it, but firstly it takes the shine off the overall experience of owning this car, is VERY irritating at the WRONG times, and if you get caught out at a junction through someone else's bad or untimely behaviour, it can be dangerous at worst, frustrating at best.
IMHO for a car that costs as much as these do, I can't understand why this has not been ironed out by LR - very poor!
IMHO for a car that costs as much as these do, I can't understand why this has not been ironed out by LR - very poor!
Blu3R said:
Ranger 6 said:
It's not just RRs - I've got into the habit of flicking the gear lever into Sport at junctions, roundabouts and whenever I think I may need a quick(er) response.
I do the same but still find the lag unacceptable in my 2.7 RRS. I have the same box in a BMW 525d and that's not great but the Sport is in a different league. It's not turbo lag, it's definitely in the mapping. I find if I knock into sport and down to 1st it's still incredibly laggy. To suggest that it's something to be learnt is ridiculous once you've experienced it but I agree that you adapt your driving to suit. Either way though, getting out of the D3 and into the Defender I;ve replaced it with, I do find the no-nonsense throttle a joy and would, unquestionably, cite the throttle on the D3 as the most negative feature.
3Dee said:
In September I acquired a RRS red edition 3ltr SD and generally I am very happy with it.... bar one very annoying thing!
The engine is very responsive normally, but I have noticed that on overrun slowing for a junction, and subsequent squeezing of the throttle to take off again the thing hesitates for almost a second or two. Now for slow take-offs, that is fine and can be planned for, but it totally scuppers the idea of a quick get-away if needed (nothing to do with Bank robberies I might add). It can be very scary if you plant your foot and the beast just slowly crawls into traffic, then lunges forward without warning.
I can't remember this being a problem at all with my old Disco 2005, then I traded it for a new Freelander in 2008, which I didn't like at all - This feelander did the same thing, and LR seemed to latch on this problem, turned into a marketing feature calling it 'Soft-start' WHAA?
And so I vowed not to go the freelander route this time thinking it was only a freelander turbo spooling problem from idle....
Is this hesitation normal?
this in the DNA of the 3.0D engine.....it called lag.....They know alllllllll about it......The engine is very responsive normally, but I have noticed that on overrun slowing for a junction, and subsequent squeezing of the throttle to take off again the thing hesitates for almost a second or two. Now for slow take-offs, that is fine and can be planned for, but it totally scuppers the idea of a quick get-away if needed (nothing to do with Bank robberies I might add). It can be very scary if you plant your foot and the beast just slowly crawls into traffic, then lunges forward without warning.
I can't remember this being a problem at all with my old Disco 2005, then I traded it for a new Freelander in 2008, which I didn't like at all - This feelander did the same thing, and LR seemed to latch on this problem, turned into a marketing feature calling it 'Soft-start' WHAA?
And so I vowed not to go the freelander route this time thinking it was only a freelander turbo spooling problem from idle....
Is this hesitation normal?
Gassing Station | Land Rover | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff