Old buses
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100SRV

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2,373 posts

272 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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Hi,
following a discussion from work I thought I'd put some questions to the PH collective:

1. How many years / miles would a typical British medium-sized bus be kept in "front line" service?

2. What happens to the bus after that period - scrapped / school run?

cheers...
100SRV

Truckosaurus

13,271 posts

314 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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2. Shipped off to the 3rd World.

WildCards

4,061 posts

247 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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I know of a coach company who have quite a few old models that are kept in a secure lock-up. One of them is the original coach that they set the business us with. It's not in service, but it's maintained and road worthy for shows and the like.

Johnnytheboy

24,499 posts

216 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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Truckosaurus said:
2. Shipped off to the 3rd World.
Round here it's

2. Bought by hippies.

Dog Star

17,610 posts

198 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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Shipped up North. Seriously.

Dr Interceptor

8,183 posts

226 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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It's entirely down to the operator, and I would suspect it's an economic balance of how much a route earns, versus the cost of maintenance, versus the cost to replace.

Locally to me, one route has just got rid of some old K-reg (1992) Mercedes busses... So they will have been 20 years old. Mileage will depend on their route too, but taking that Mercedes as an example... 500,000 miles, divided by 20 years, divided by 300 operational days a year, is only 83 miles a day. So I suspect that bus will have done much more than half a million.

There was talk at Chiswick of some of the Routemasters covering northwards of 3 million miles.

WildCards

4,061 posts

247 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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http://www.ghwatts.co.uk/site/our_fleet/

Doesn't show the really old stuff, but does have some of the 80's buses still in service.

Rickyy

6,618 posts

249 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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Dog Star said:
Shipped up North. Seriously.
See three posts above yours.

muckymotor

2,495 posts

251 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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Dog Star said:
Shipped up North. Seriously.
Quite a few ex London buses in Sheffield. You can see where the second set of doors have been replaced with a window and occasionally srcapes reveal the original red paint.

AndyNetwork

1,849 posts

224 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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Quite a few go back to bus manufacterers for overhaul/rebodying, and sold on.

TheTurbonator

2,792 posts

181 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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Our company typically keeps them for 15 years by which point they've usually done about 700,000 miles.

If they're still in reasonable condition though then some are kept as back-ups. We have a few 1998 Volvo Royal's knocking about which are sometimes used if the main fleet has an unprecedented amount in engineering.

Body rot is the biggest killer so most are scrapped. An African company were interested in our Dennis Dart's a few ago when we were getting rid but the deal fell though and ultimately they got scrapped too.

Edited by TheTurbonator on Wednesday 8th January 12:35

thatdude

2,660 posts

157 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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I've often wondered - what is the service intervals on a typical bus?

Baz Tench

5,648 posts

220 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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Someone I know up in Chesterfield has one and does real ale tours with it, as well as hiring it out for weddings, parties etc.

FourWheelDrift

92,319 posts

314 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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Or on the open market, Bristols for sale - http://bcv.robsly.com/forsale.html

I love a Bristol, or two.

TheTurbonator

2,792 posts

181 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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thatdude said:
I've often wondered - what is the service intervals on a typical bus?
40 000 kms for our Volvo B9tl's

carreauchompeur

18,323 posts

234 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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Loads have gone to Malta, it's a real vintage bus show over there.

lufbramatt

5,682 posts

164 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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carreauchompeur said:
Loads have gone to Malta, it's a real vintage bus show over there.
Not any more, sadly, in the last couple of years the fleet has been modernised and only a handful of the classic buses kept for tourists.

valiant

14,220 posts

190 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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lufbramatt said:
carreauchompeur said:
Loads have gone to Malta, it's a real vintage bus show over there.
Not any more, sadly, in the last couple of years the fleet has been modernised and only a handful of the classic buses kept for tourists.
They bought a load of London's bendy-buses and according to relatives they are as loathed over there as they were here!

CraigJ

660 posts

235 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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Dr Interceptor said:
It's entirely down to the operator, and I would suspect it's an economic balance of how much a route earns, versus the cost of maintenance, versus the cost to replace.

Locally to me, one route has just got rid of some old K-reg (1992) Mercedes busses... So they will have been 20 years old. Mileage will depend on their route too, but taking that Mercedes as an example... 500,000 miles, divided by 20 years, divided by 300 operational days a year, is only 83 miles a day. So I suspect that bus will have done much more than half a million.

There was talk at Chiswick of some of the Routemasters covering northwards of 3 million miles.
Most will hit 500,000km within 5 years. To give you an idea our gearbox's come with a 5 year or 400,000 km warranty. (depending on bus operator) I have had to refuse lots of warranty's within 5 years as the the bus has gone well over 400,000km.

Iv'e just been to one to day less than 10 years old showing just over 900,000km.

A lot of the buses rot around the drive train. See lots getting scrapped. Most places tend to keep a few and strip them for spares and the rest usually ends up here http://www.pvsbuses.com/grounds.html

Cliftonite

8,746 posts

168 months

Wednesday 8th January 2014
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valiant said:
They bought a load of London's bendy-buses and according to relatives they are as loathed over there as they were here!
After one self-immolation too many, they have been taken off the roads in Malta, too!

smile