The success of JLR is down to....
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Tannedbaldhead said:
Don't they say that a lot of the success of the German Automotive industry is attributed to the input of the German engineering trades unions? As far as I understand union officials even have a seat on the board.
Yes, but then the unions over there understand how serious a strike is, so it only happens as an absolute last resort, rather than a fun way to annoy Angela Merkel.Rich_W said:
greygoose said:
Union and company working together for success, can't see the reason for the rage really.
Mainly because UNITE want to claim the majority of the glory. They are ignoring the fact JLR products are more desirable than 5 years ago. more reliable, more luxurious etc etc"The manufacturer's fantastic performance is testament to the workforce."
Go on then, argue with that statement.
JLR's rising fortunes are not a testament to UNITE, workers represented by UNITE or anything else (because as rightly pointed out, many are contractors), but they are testament to the workforce, and that's what they said, no?
Go on then, argue with that statement.
JLR's rising fortunes are not a testament to UNITE, workers represented by UNITE or anything else (because as rightly pointed out, many are contractors), but they are testament to the workforce, and that's what they said, no?
McSam said:
"The manufacturer's fantastic performance is testament to the workforce."
Go on then, argue with that statement.
JLR's rising fortunes are not a testament to UNITE, workers represented by UNITE or anything else (because as rightly pointed out, many are contractors), but they are testament to the workforce, and that's what they said, no?
"our members in Unite and the company worked together to turn JLR's fortunes around" reads as them trying to take credit.Go on then, argue with that statement.
JLR's rising fortunes are not a testament to UNITE, workers represented by UNITE or anything else (because as rightly pointed out, many are contractors), but they are testament to the workforce, and that's what they said, no?
crosseyedlion said:
"our members in Unite and the company worked together to turn JLR's fortunes around" reads as them trying to take credit.
Perhaps if I'd written it I'd have gone for "our members and the company worked together to help turn JLR's fortunes around", because the way that's written above implies an exclusive effort between UNITE members and "the company".. but then, couldn't you put everyone involved under the umbrella of "the company" and it's still correct?If it had said "UNITE members' work has turned JLR's fortunes around" I'd be just as pissed off as the OP, but I think some are trying to see implications that aren't really there. To me it reads that they're blowing the trumpets about being involved, but not trying to take more credit than is reasonable.
German and Japanese unions are more attuned to working toward the success of the company.
British unions; especially in the motor industry have had a long colourful history.
In recent years the British unions are waking up. e.g. Vauxhall/GM plant adopting flexible working hours.
For the first time in decades a German plant will close.
British unions; especially in the motor industry have had a long colourful history.
In recent years the British unions are waking up. e.g. Vauxhall/GM plant adopting flexible working hours.
For the first time in decades a German plant will close.
mattshiz said:
People love to hate unions. They've done a great deal in raising the pay rate of many factory level workers, of which I am one and am grateful for.
That is exactly the problem with unions.Increased wages means less profitable company, and more likely the company will want to reduce jobs.
lbc said:
mattshiz said:
People love to hate unions. They've done a great deal in raising the pay rate of many factory level workers, of which I am one and am grateful for.
That is exactly the problem with unions.Increased wages means less profitable company, and more likely the company will want to reduce jobs.
lbc said:
mattshiz said:
People love to hate unions. They've done a great deal in raising the pay rate of many factory level workers, of which I am one and am grateful for.
That is exactly the problem with unions.Increased wages means less profitable company, and more likely the company will want to reduce jobs.
Not wanting to share the results of their success with their workers.
greygoose said:
That is exactly the problem with some companies.
Not wanting to share the results of their success with their workers.
So you'd expect a shopkeeper to give their till staff a share of the profits?Not wanting to share the results of their success with their workers.
What about if they ran into debt, would the workers then be liable?
Reinvestment or even holding onto funds (rather than simply pouring it into workers wages) is essential for ensuring the long term future of a company, and the security of its employees.
Im sure even the most left leaning would rather a company employed more, rather than giving pay increases.
crosseyedlion said:
greygoose said:
That is exactly the problem with some companies.
Not wanting to share the results of their success with their workers.
So you'd expect a shopkeeper to give their till staff a share of the profits?Not wanting to share the results of their success with their workers.
What about if they ran into debt, would the workers then be liable?
Reinvestment or even holding onto funds (rather than simply pouring it into workers wages) is essential for ensuring the long term future of a company, and the security of its employees.
Unite are consistently crap
When I was at Honda, you'd have struggled to find a collective of stupider people within the company than the union officials/associate board
They appeared to get voted in as being the most militant, but unfortunately for the production areas, the person who's prepared to say 'f**k the company' the loudest is also generally the person that's the easiest for the company to negotiate with dye to their almost complete inability to understand a bigger picture
The company subsequently tied them in knots and dealing with them was almost a standing joke on what can we get them to agree on now
When I was at Honda, you'd have struggled to find a collective of stupider people within the company than the union officials/associate board
They appeared to get voted in as being the most militant, but unfortunately for the production areas, the person who's prepared to say 'f**k the company' the loudest is also generally the person that's the easiest for the company to negotiate with dye to their almost complete inability to understand a bigger picture
The company subsequently tied them in knots and dealing with them was almost a standing joke on what can we get them to agree on now
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