Operation Safeway - London
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Interesting information here. Whilst I don't want to start another anti cycling thread, these are interesting stats
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/542003/...
Those on bikes received 4,269 FPNs or reports for summons in total; 1,277 for contravening traffic signals, 1,608 for cycling without lights at night (though many of these were cancelled when cyclists subsequently produced lights) and 1,057 for cycling on a footway.
Those driving received 10,140 FPNs or reports for summons in total; 1,113 for contravening traffic signals, 2,597 for using a phone while driving, 2,484 for failing to wear a seatbelt and 93 for driving without due care. A further 3,853 FPNs/summons were issued for 'other' offences including driving without insurance or with a vehicle fault.
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/542003/...
Those on bikes received 4,269 FPNs or reports for summons in total; 1,277 for contravening traffic signals, 1,608 for cycling without lights at night (though many of these were cancelled when cyclists subsequently produced lights) and 1,057 for cycling on a footway.
Those driving received 10,140 FPNs or reports for summons in total; 1,113 for contravening traffic signals, 2,597 for using a phone while driving, 2,484 for failing to wear a seatbelt and 93 for driving without due care. A further 3,853 FPNs/summons were issued for 'other' offences including driving without insurance or with a vehicle fault.
Every day I see people driving on the phone, jumping red lights, changing lanes without indicating, its about time this was stamped out. Cyclists can be almost as bad, (and I am one) especially jumping reds and bizarre filtering on roundabouts (I nearly clipped an idiot in Guildford yesterday filtering between 3 lanes on a roundabout).
More unmarked cars would be the obvious answer, or CCTV capable of catching and identifying the idiots.
More unmarked cars would be the obvious answer, or CCTV capable of catching and identifying the idiots.
S10GTA said:
Interesting information here. Whilst I don't want to start another anti cycling thread, these are interesting stats
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/542003/...
Those on bikes received 4,269 FPNs or reports for summons in total; 1,277 for contravening traffic signals, 1,608 for cycling without lights at night (though many of these were cancelled when cyclists subsequently produced lights) and 1,057 for cycling on a footway.
Those driving received 10,140 FPNs or reports for summons in total; 1,113 for contravening traffic signals, 2,597 for using a phone while driving, 2,484 for failing to wear a seatbelt and 93 for driving without due care. A further 3,853 FPNs/summons were issued for 'other' offences including driving without insurance or with a vehicle fault.
Imagine how many they'd have caught if they were wearing plain clothes. All the ones I encountered were in groups so stood out like sore thumbs (which makes being caught by them even more embarrassing for those caught!).http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/542003/...
Those on bikes received 4,269 FPNs or reports for summons in total; 1,277 for contravening traffic signals, 1,608 for cycling without lights at night (though many of these were cancelled when cyclists subsequently produced lights) and 1,057 for cycling on a footway.
Those driving received 10,140 FPNs or reports for summons in total; 1,113 for contravening traffic signals, 2,597 for using a phone while driving, 2,484 for failing to wear a seatbelt and 93 for driving without due care. A further 3,853 FPNs/summons were issued for 'other' offences including driving without insurance or with a vehicle fault.
S10GTA said:
...1,608 for cycling without lights at night (though many of these were cancelled when cyclists subsequently produced lights)
This appears to be incredibly easy to get out of. Caught without lights; subsequently buy very, very cheap lights; avoid fine.Or am I missing something?
I got threatened with another £50 fixed penalty this morning at Oxford Circus for being stopped at a red but with my front wheel over the white line. I was a good two metres away from the broken white line that marks the pedestrian bit of the crossing though so I’m not sure what the point was.
I wonder if the reason the number of cyclist penalties is so low is because they’re being a bit sensible on what actually needs to be hit down on and what just needs a visible ticking off to make the motorists feel they’re being even handed.
I haven’t seen anyone pulled over yet for cycling like an utter knob – not as part of Safeway anyway – the positioning of the PSCOs seems to be at quite odd places.
I wonder if the reason the number of cyclist penalties is so low is because they’re being a bit sensible on what actually needs to be hit down on and what just needs a visible ticking off to make the motorists feel they’re being even handed.
I haven’t seen anyone pulled over yet for cycling like an utter knob – not as part of Safeway anyway – the positioning of the PSCOs seems to be at quite odd places.
Hackney said:
This appears to be incredibly easy to get out of. Caught without lights; subsequently buy very, very cheap lights; avoid fine.
Or am I missing something?
Ther was a policy of handing out "fines" to cyclists without lights that could be redeemed against the cost of actually buying some lights.Or am I missing something?
I was quite surprised at the number of cyclists who are killed at night who didn't have lights.
Mr Will said:
S10GTA said:
...Those driving received 10,140 FPNs or reports for summons in total; 1,113 for contravening traffic signals...
Can't be true. We all know that only cyclists ever run red lights.will_ said:
Mr Will said:
S10GTA said:
...Those driving received 10,140 FPNs or reports for summons in total; 1,113 for contravening traffic signals...
Can't be true. We all know that only cyclists ever run red lights.This had good results on Battersea and Chelsea Bridges. I didn't see anyone get a ticket, just a bunch of very well-behaved cars, vans, lorries and cyclists. The cops were up for a bit of banter too. Shame it has to come to an end.
I wonder how long it will be, before bad behaviour returns?
I wonder how long it will be, before bad behaviour returns?
lepetitoeuf said:
AyBee said:
Imagine how many they'd have caught if they were wearing plain clothes. All the ones I encountered were in groups so stood out like sore thumbs (which makes being caught by them even more embarrassing for those caught!).
I thought this as well, the police definitely wanted it to be a high profile campaign.A few did hide behind trees on Chelsea Embankment to spot mopeds using the cycle lane though.
I'm amazed that 10,000 people simply didn't notice large groups of plod hanging around at junctions though. They should each be done for an additional offence of clearly not paying attention!
kwits ride about in the dark with no lights, reflective clothing or even a reflector. Mind you a good number of these ride on the effing pavement 
I'm that paranoid about being hit I've just bought a better front light for daytime flashing duty.Usget said:
This had good results on Battersea and Chelsea Bridges. I didn't see anyone get a ticket, just a bunch of very well-behaved cars, vans, lorries and cyclists. The cops were up for a bit of banter too. Shame it has to come to an end.
I wonder how long it will be, before bad behaviour returns?
Agreed, they had quite a high profile setup around Elephant and Castle and the improvement in general driving standards was impressive.I wonder how long it will be, before bad behaviour returns?
Even though this operation was triggered by and related to cycling accidents, it has reinforced my views that actual police are far more effective then cameras. I know this is a common view on PH.
And I think the number of tickets issued will pail into insignificance compared to the number of offencies that the visible police presence would have deterred.
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