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Sorry to lower the tone here
If my dog messes the pavement I could get a fine etc etc which I acceptand understand.
Does the same apply for horsey ?
As walking to my local shops for a spot of lunch I come accross this mess on the floor which I need to navigate and I feel the need to have a chat with the owner in the distance !
Now I know we all see the doggy stuff but it ain't normally as big a mess and yes I should have scopped it up in the carrier bag to put on the roses, but my lunch was in there !
If my dog messes the pavement I could get a fine etc etc which I acceptand understand.
Does the same apply for horsey ?
As walking to my local shops for a spot of lunch I come accross this mess on the floor which I need to navigate and I feel the need to have a chat with the owner in the distance !
Now I know we all see the doggy stuff but it ain't normally as big a mess and yes I should have scopped it up in the carrier bag to put on the roses, but my lunch was in there !
It would appear under Highways Act 1980 there are a number of offences concerning depositing dung, noxious substances etc on the highway. Unfortunately it is so worded that the act is done by "a person". So if the rider crapped he can be booked but not his horse.
Now doggies are that special that if they crap then many Councils have an order made that if not immediately cleaned up- offence.
Incidentally how many of you know that at lambing time a pile of horse dung is an asset to a Shepherd. Any weakling lambs born are stuck in the pile to keep warm as horse manure is prone to almost spontaneous combustion.
A mine of useless information as per norm.
DVD
Now doggies are that special that if they crap then many Councils have an order made that if not immediately cleaned up- offence.
Incidentally how many of you know that at lambing time a pile of horse dung is an asset to a Shepherd. Any weakling lambs born are stuck in the pile to keep warm as horse manure is prone to almost spontaneous combustion.
A mine of useless information as per norm.
DVD
Dwight VanDriver said:
It would appear under Highways Act 1980 there are a number of offences concerning depositing dung, noxious substances etc on the highway. Unfortunately it is so worded that the act is done by "a person". So if the rider crapped he can be booked but not his horse.
Now doggies are that special that if they crap then many Councils have an order made that if not immediately cleaned up- offence.
Incidentally how many of you know that at lambing time a pile of horse dung is an asset to a Shepherd. Any weakling lambs born are stuck in the pile to keep warm as horse manure is prone to almost spontaneous combustion.
A mine of useless information as per norm.
DVD
Marvellous, DVD!
Personally I think that horse owners should be required to clean their animals' dung from the highway. One could make a fortune selling horsey-nappies to elminate the problem!
It would be good for road safety and, whilst many owners would no doubt feel the measure impractical and inconvenient, could be made to work.
No offence to Horse Owners - I'm dead against this 'banning' rubbish and don't want to see horses banned from roads or anything silly like that - I'd just like reasonable precautions being taken to avoid dung causing skids - particularly for motorcyclists.
The same way as cars have a highway code, riding horses have a road safety test you must take before going on the road. This is not a legal requirement but one that is common knowledge, sense and effects any insurance you may have. Part of the 'Ride and Road Safety' test stipulates where you should and should not tie up a horse as it is dangerous to cars, other people etc etc. This given, you would some how have to manouver yourself in such a way that you were able to hold on to your horse whilst scooping up the doo doo. Picture your dog chacing its tale and then translate that into a rider, with horse, doing circles whilst trying to hold onto it and it following you.
A logistical nightmare. Not quite the same as with a dog.
You have a fair point though - they can be a hazard if frozen or slippery.
>> Edited by TDTH1975 on Tuesday 16th November 17:23
A logistical nightmare. Not quite the same as with a dog.
You have a fair point though - they can be a hazard if frozen or slippery.
>> Edited by TDTH1975 on Tuesday 16th November 17:23
Horse nappies. They are for real. Those horse drawn tourist carriages abroad have them. A sort of canvas "ski slope" from behind the horse into a receptacle on the front of the carriage. No steaming piles putting the punters off.
Good on the garden, and Victorian gardeners also used to pile it up in a wooden box and cover it with soil. The heat of the decompossing horse poop acting like an underground heater for growing tender plants in winter. Dashed clever what ???
I believe horses have a right to be on the roads and motor vehicles are there by licence. I used to ride the dumb creatures. Some less than considerate drivers may wish to consider that, plus the fact they weigh over half a ton and can seriously wreck a car.
Good on the garden, and Victorian gardeners also used to pile it up in a wooden box and cover it with soil. The heat of the decompossing horse poop acting like an underground heater for growing tender plants in winter. Dashed clever what ???
I believe horses have a right to be on the roads and motor vehicles are there by licence. I used to ride the dumb creatures. Some less than considerate drivers may wish to consider that, plus the fact they weigh over half a ton and can seriously wreck a car.
Meandering further a-field,
There is a boarding stable near me that has 100+ horses that the owner composts and SELLS the manure!! He has two permanent bins 8' high, 8' wide and 25' long. On a trip out there I was denied a front-loader load of the "aged", and asked why could'nt I have the last bit in the bin by scraping the bottom?
" 'Cos ya might hit my hot water pipes buried in the bottom".
He uses the water in his out buildings and barns, along with regular water heaters.
Turns out that as the manure "cooks" it can reach temps of 140 F!!!
Dave
There is a boarding stable near me that has 100+ horses that the owner composts and SELLS the manure!! He has two permanent bins 8' high, 8' wide and 25' long. On a trip out there I was denied a front-loader load of the "aged", and asked why could'nt I have the last bit in the bin by scraping the bottom?
" 'Cos ya might hit my hot water pipes buried in the bottom".
He uses the water in his out buildings and barns, along with regular water heaters.
Turns out that as the manure "cooks" it can reach temps of 140 F!!!
Dave
Wasn't there a case where a farmer was charged with depositing manure on the road when he was taking his cows to be milked? IIRC, a retired cop crashed his motorbike after skidding on said poo.
I believe he got off, which is just as well unless the mounted police plan to get their animals to wear nappies as well
>> Edited by MrsMiggins on Tuesday 16th November 22:39
I believe he got off, which is just as well unless the mounted police plan to get their animals to wear nappies as well
>> Edited by MrsMiggins on Tuesday 16th November 22:39
Dwight VanDriver said:
Incidentally how many of you know that at lambing time a pile of horse dung is an asset to a Shepherd. Any weakling lambs born are stuck in the pile to keep warm as horse manure is prone to almost spontaneous combustion.
DVD
Now, let's get this straight DVD. If one was to pile a load of horse poo around, let's say; A Talivan?.................
It's also worth remembering that horse poo is good fertilizer, but dog poo is potentially dangerous due to the nasties that live in it; if it dries out (not much chance at the moment) and blows around it can cause various illnesses/disease much like cat poo can, although the chances are low I would have thought. But you don't want kids playing in dog poo. Nasty stuff.
Horse sh1t on the road is all part of country life, just like shooting badgers(though you see a suprising amount in Regent St as well(Household Cavalry I beleive(horse sh1t that is, not badgers))), it's pretty harmless except for it's inherant slideyness but that just concentrates the mind.
Agree - I think it's a bit daft to worry about horse/cow dung in roads, esp. in the country. Suspect the only people who worry about it are townies who move to the country then try and urbanise it.
I love the smell of cow dung in the morning - makes me think of ... home.
As a boys we used to ride our bikes as fast as possible through fresh manure to see how well we could get it to splash around - sadly a habit I've carried into adulthood and motoring...
I love the smell of cow dung in the morning - makes me think of ... home.
As a boys we used to ride our bikes as fast as possible through fresh manure to see how well we could get it to splash around - sadly a habit I've carried into adulthood and motoring...
puggit said:
While we are on about horses (if they were meant for the road they would be born with metal on their feet already)...
Is it legal to ride 2 abreast?
What a random statement - I think you could apply your theory to humans but we still wear shoes - We wear them for comfort and protection as do horses - neither use to and both now do.
Is it legal to ride 2 abreast ?? - YES, very much so and infact it is encouraged so long as it is not causing an huge obstruction. Most will ride 2 abreast and move into single file if a car comes. Like dogs, children and anything, the young need to be taught and when taking a youger horse on the roads to teach it road traffic awareness etc, it is safer for the horse, the rider and the vehicle that another horse is between the yougster and the traffic.
TDTH1975 said:
Is it legal to ride 2 abreast ?? - YES, very much so and infact it is encouraged so long as it is not causing an huge obstruction. Most will ride 2 abreast and move into single file if a car comes. Like dogs, children and anything, the young need to be taught and when taking a youger horse on the roads to teach it road traffic awareness etc, it is safer for the horse, the rider and the vehicle that another horse is between the yougster and the traffic.
Even safer with a hedge between them.
lunarscope said:
Is it legal to ride 2 abreast ?? - YES, very much so and infact it is encouraged so long as it is not causing an huge obstruction. Most will ride 2 abreast and move into single file if a car comes. Like dogs, children and anything, the young need to be taught and when taking a youger horse on the roads to teach it road traffic awareness etc, it is safer for the horse, the rider and the vehicle that another horse is between the yougster and the traffic.
Even safer with a hedge between them.
But then one might be out on a nice hack looking at squashed foxes killed by cars and the other accused of attempting to hunt and probably never seeing a fox - certainly wouldn't want that (Does the hedge draw the line)....
Sorry - couldn't help myselfTDTH1975 said:
TDTH1975 said:
Is it legal to ride 2 abreast ?? - YES, very much so and infact it is encouraged so long as it is not causing an huge obstruction. Most will ride 2 abreast and move into single file if a car comes. Like dogs, children and anything, the young need to be taught and when taking a youger horse on the roads to teach it road traffic awareness etc, it is safer for the horse, the rider and the vehicle that another horse is between the yougster and the traffic.
Even safer with a hedge between them.
But then one might be out on a nice hack looking at squashed foxes killed by cars and the other accused of attempting to hunt and probably never seeing a fox - certainly wouldn't want that (Does the hedge draw the line)....
I agree, perhaps if we were to genetically engineer foxes to have human-level intelligence they would know to stay away from the road. (Also, it would make for a far more sporting chase !)
Ah so Yertis
>>>>>I love the smell of cow dung in the morning - makes me think of ... home.>>>>>>
Remember from my childhood, so it was you that wrote that song:
Meet me tonight in the cowshed,
after the cows come home.
Though it is only a cow shed,
it's just like home sweet home..........
arf
DVD
>>>>>I love the smell of cow dung in the morning - makes me think of ... home.>>>>>>
Remember from my childhood, so it was you that wrote that song:
Meet me tonight in the cowshed,
after the cows come home.
Though it is only a cow shed,
it's just like home sweet home..........
arf
DVD
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