Lets talk GT3's

[stef1808]

There were so many speculative threads before about GT3's. 991 vs 997, pure driving, mezger, a knob in the cabin to change gears and so many theories where expressed before anyone has even seen/driven the car

so you know where I’m coming from: I’ve had my 10k deposit down since summer (which was when I decided it was time to buy a gt3, 997.2 at the time, but couldn’t justify spending 80k on a used car when the new one would be 110 or so) as the excitement builds, truth be told so does the nerves.

For me, this car needs to be the best of both, a weekend cruiser and a track machine. In my world its rivals are a 40-50k track car (think atom supercharged or 997.1 [try .2 in time] gt3, even a 996 gt2 is looking interesting etc) and probably a new shape c63 TT or m4 etc – love those turbos – could be time to sell my stage 4 335i

I plan to get more involved in tracking my cars (up from 2-3 times a year) and starting to think about true costs of tracking this beast, the numbers are adding up fast

I guess my real question is, people who have now owned both the 991 and 997, had do they compare living with the car and that "special" feeling getting in the car (those 2-3 minutes turning on the car and letting the engine warm up is a special time and only a car that truly feels special, is dare I say, my zen time (also at the limit of grip at 120 mph

does anyone with a 991 stop for a second and think, I kind of miss the involvement of my 997 – this is just too easy ?

so feel free to express your new and up to date opinions thoughts and experiences, or just feel free to spend my money on what car you would buy

p.s punters looking for a 2013 gt3 slot not welcome here

Edited by stef1808 on Friday 24th January 16:28

[V8KSN]

stef1808 said:

There were so many speculative threads before about GT3's. 991 vs 997, pure driving, mezger, a knob in the cabin to change gears and so many theories where expressed before anyone has even seen/driven the car

so you know where I’m coming from: I’ve had my 10k deposit down since summer (which was when I decided it was time to buy a gt3, 997.2 at the time, but couldn’t justify spending 80k on a used car when the new one would be 110 or so) and truth be known as the excitement builds, truth be told so does the nerves.

For me, this car needs to be the best of both, a weekend cruiser and a track machine. In my world its rivals are a 40-50k track car (think atom supercharged or 997.1 [try .2 in time] gt3, even a 996 gt2 is looking interesting etc) and probably a new shape c63 TT or m4 etc – love those turbos – could be time to sell my stage 4 335i

I plan to get more involved in tracking my cars (up from 2-3 times a year) and starting to think about true costs of tracking this beast, the numbers are adding up fast

I guess my real question is, people who have now owned both the 991 and 997, had do they compare living with the car and that "special" feeling getting in the car (those 2-3 minutes turning on the car and letting the engine warm up is a special time and only a car that truly feels special, is dare I say, my zen time (also at the limit of grip at 120 mph

does anyone with a 991 stop for a second and think, i kind of miss the involvement of my 997 – this is just too easy ?

so feel free to express your new and up to date opinions thoughts and experiences, or just feel free to spend my money on what car you would buy

p.s punters looking for a 2013 gt3 slot not welcome here

Interesting question but I think it may be a little too early to answer.

Those that have moved from a 996/7 GT3 to a 991 will still be in the honeymoon period I guess so any reviews or comparrisons will be tainted.

I think give it a few months (maybe a year or so) and then we will get a better picture.

[marky911]

Yep this. ^^^^

You won't find a 991 owner saying "oh dear I've made a mistake." As they'll have just spent £120k.

Over the next couple of years though I'm sure once the novelty factor has worn off, one or two owners will decide it's not for them.

If I was spending £120k it would be on an orange 997.1 RS and a fast estate, Audi RS, AMG, etc.
and probably a dedicated track car of some sort.
Not all brand new obviously.

Edited by marky911 on Friday 24th January 18:45

[Terminator X]

^^ Ouch, think of the VED though ...

TX.

[d41d8cd9]

I can't wait for mrdemon's feedback on the new GT3.

[nxi20]

Terminator X said:

^^ Ouch, think of the VED though ...

TX.

Really?

I can never understand why people fixate on the cost of the VED. I've always run multiple vehicles (currently the count is 4 - 996GT3 track car, 993 GT2 re-creation, E55 AMG barge & Suzuki 650 for London commuting) and frankly the VED is a drop in the ocean compared to all the other costs involved if you actually use the vehicles. The fact is that no single vehicle can be good at everything so multiple vehicles is the only sensible option if you don't want to make massive compromises. VED, along with insurance, maintenance & (usually) depreciation is simply the price of having specialised vehicles.

Edited by nxi20 on Friday 24th January 19:34

[supersport]

nxi20 said:

Terminator X said:

^^ Ouch, think of the VED though ...

TX.

Really?

I can never understand why people fixate on the cost of the VED. I've always run multiple vehicles (currently the count is 4) and frankly the VED is a drop in the ocean compared to all the other costs involved if you actually use the vehicles. The fact is that no single vehicle can be good at everything so multiple vehicles is the only sensible option if you don't want to make massive compromises. VED, along with insurance, maintenance & (usually) depreciation is simply the price of having specialised vehicles.

Not if you drive older cars, then appreciation is more likely than depreciation.

Clearly this is not relevant to 991 GT3 owners.

[nxi20]

But that's kind of my point - I could go out & buy a 991 GT3 (& I'm sure it's a great car). However, I prefer to use the money to introduce variety into my driving. Trying to heap too much of the "it has to be a weekend special but I also want to rag it round tracks" on a new & as yet unproven platform is a high risk option in comparison to running multiple vehicles to fulfil the various needs. My 993 is a very special car to drive & I know I would not derive more pleasure from driving a 991. My GT3 has been a 6 year journey to develop it into a car that is completely fit for purpose & is an absolute hoot on a track. The AMG is just a lovely thing that can get you to your destination in comfort & style. The only thing depreciating out of those 3 is the AMG, but only by a single digit %age of what I paid for it. The Porsches are appreciating but who cares when they are both keepers?

Horses for courses, I know...

[sidicks]

nxi20 said:

My 993 is a very special car to drive & I know I would not derive more pleasure from driving a 991. My GT3 has been a 6 year journey to develop it into a car that is completely fit for purpose & is an absolute hoot on a track.

Have you read Macca's reports on his 991 GT3 and the comparison with his 993...??

[IMI A]

sidicks said:

nxi20 said:

My 993 is a very special car to drive & I know I would not derive more pleasure from driving a 991. My GT3 has been a 6 year journey to develop it into a car that is completely fit for purpose & is an absolute hoot on a track.

Have you read Macca's reports on his 991 GT3 and the comparison with his 993...??

have you seen nxi20's 993? Suggest you look at his garage.

[sidicks]

IMI A said:

have you seen nxi20's 993? Suggest you look at his garage.

My point still stands - have you seen Macca's 993 that he uses for road rallies?

[IMI A]

sidicks said:

IMI A said:

have you seen nxi20's 993? Suggest you look at his garage.

My point still stands - have you seen Macca's 993 that he uses for road rallies?

no linky pls

[AndyBrew]

Only on PistonHeads do the majority make money out of their cars, hilarious

[C2'S'man]

Not if you drive older cars, then appreciation is more likely than depreciation

How much was the resto/respray costs of your car last year (or was it the year before) Mark?

Ya pays one way or tuther!!!!

g

[C2'S'man]

Not if you drive older cars, then appreciation is more likely than depreciation

How much was the resto/respray costs of your car last year (or was it the year before) Mark?

Ya pays one way or tuther!!!!

g

[C2'S'man]

Not if you drive older cars, then appreciation is more likely than depreciation

How much was the resto/respray costs of your car last year (or was it the year before) Mark?

Ya pays one way or tuther!!!!

g

[marky911]

nxi20 said:

Really?

I can never understand why people fixate on the cost of the VED. I've always run multiple vehicles (currently the count is 4 - 996GT3 track car, 993 GT2 re-creation, E55 AMG barge & Suzuki 650 for London commuting) and frankly the VED is a drop in the ocean compared to all the other costs involved if you actually use the vehicles. The fact is that no single vehicle can be good at everything so multiple vehicles is the only sensible option if you don't want to make massive compromises. VED, along with insurance, maintenance & (usually) depreciation is simply the price of having specialised vehicles.

Edited by nxi20 on Friday 24th January 19:34

I've read all about your GT3 over the years, on here and 911uk, but I didn't know you had that 993!! Looks absolutely fantastic. I'd love something like that.

I agree too that VED is nothing on the scale of petrol head costs. My summer toys get taxed April or May which lasts until Sep or Oct, unless there is something special happening earlier then they'll get taxed for the year. Only my daily car generally gets taxed all year round.

I also agree with the guy mentioning running costs on the older stuff. Resprays, heat-exchangers, top-end rebuilds add up at an alarming rate and you need to see some big rise on the cars value to see things "appreciate". Swings and roundabouts though and still better than sinking £8k into a vanilla 996 engine rebuild for example.

[kevs 172]

I don't get not taxing the car all year round.The cold air and greasy roads is when I enjoy my gt3 the most.

[marky911]

Nah, for me, up here in Northumberland the road surfaces are too inconsistent to have any confidence. It looked fine in my village the other day so I went cycling. 2 mile out of the village though and the puddles on the side of the road were frozen solid and my bike felt like it was made of jelly as I hit patches of black ice. No fun on, or in anything with wheels.

More than that though the salt attacks everything and my cars a keeper I hope, so I'm just not interested in the winter. I also can't be arsed to be outside washing cars in the freezing cold.
I've always got something better to be doing. Usually do diy or work lots over the winter, so I can enjoy the summer.

Different strokes for different folks.

[nxi20]

marky911 said:

I also agree with the guy mentioning running costs on the older stuff. Resprays, heat-exchangers, top-end rebuilds add up at an alarming rate and you need to see some big rise on the cars value to see things "appreciate".

As Daniel on 911uk used to have in his sig: "If it's got tits or tyres, it's going to cost you"

Never a truer word said, but would we want to give up either of them? Not me!