MOT - why did they do this?
MOT - why did they do this?
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bitwrx

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1,352 posts

234 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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Took the Pug in for the MOT this morning. I asked them to check the headlamp aim, then perform an MOT test.

They chose to do the MOT first (which it failed on headlamp aim), then do the headlamp alignment, then perform a (presumably partial) retest. Which it passed.

So why did they do it that way round? Obviously makes no difference to me, just seems strange; wondering if there's some logic to doing it that way that I don't know about...

mike-r

1,539 posts

221 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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I had a MOT fail tyre and took a new one for them to fit before the test and they did. Passed with no fails/advisories.

Maybe they coudn't be bothered investigating it/telling the tester 'til they came round to it during the MOT.

selym

9,581 posts

201 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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Now this is an absolute guess, plucked from nowhere so feel free to poo-poo it. Do garages get paid any more to put vehicles through a re-test?

TA14

14,332 posts

288 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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You've mentioned one job but there might be another five. It's easier for them to let the MoT guy list the jobs than find the jobs themselves so they do that. Then all of the jobs can be done in one go rather than some before the test and some after.

Paulm4

365 posts

187 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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Maybe in case the car failed catastrophically in other areas and it would go straight to the scrappy, would be pointless aiming the headlights and charging you for it.

TA14

14,332 posts

288 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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Paulm4 said:
Maybe in case the car failed catastrophically in other areas and it would go straight to the scrappy, would be pointless aiming the headlights and charging you for it.
this is the more extreme case...

trashbat

6,307 posts

183 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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My guess, and it is only that: it helps the stats, in that if they go above a certain pass threshold, VOSA get interested, so better to have enough fails.

Laurel Green

31,134 posts

262 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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TA14 said:
You've mentioned one job but there might be another five. It's easier for them to let the MoT guy list the jobs than find the jobs themselves so they do that. Then all of the jobs can be done in one go rather than some before the test and some after.
I'd say the above is reason enough. smile

RemarkLima

2,840 posts

242 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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trashbat said:
My guess, and it is only that: it helps the stats, in that if they go above a certain pass threshold, VOSA get interested, so better to have enough fails.
Probably this... After all, it used to be that the pen is mightier than the spanner, but now they keyboard is mightier than the spanner.

They're probably getting a few dealers through on the side, and need to keep a few fails in there wink

GT03ROB

14,024 posts

251 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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Most places when I put a car in for service & MOT, MOT it 1st then do the service, fixing anything highlighted in the MOT.

R12HCO

826 posts

189 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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trashbat said:
My guess, and it is only that: it helps the stats, in that if they go above a certain pass threshold, VOSA get interested, so better to have enough fails.
This.

Rollcage

11,345 posts

222 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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R12HCO said:
trashbat said:
My guess, and it is only that: it helps the stats, in that if they go above a certain pass threshold, VOSA get interested, so better to have enough fails.
This.
Precisely this. My old tester would adjust headlights during the test as a gesture and never used to fail and pass, until VOSA told him he needed to start doing so. ISTR there is a "corrected during test" type of code, though I'm probably wrong.

Gareth79

9,056 posts

276 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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I think it's because the testers think that VOSA likes to see cars failing tests, ie. if they have too many passes it might look suspicious and they might be investigated. Obviously if all the testers are inflating their failures then it doesn't make any difference!

mini1380cc

2,949 posts

201 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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Its fairly simple and I've discussed it with my MOT mate.

1) Stick it through the test, at which point they might pass anyway (zero effort).

2) If it fails adjust them (still only doing this once anyway).

3) "re-test" amounts to one extra minute at the MOT computer for a second print. There is no effort to re-test the lights apart from shining the lights against the wall which was done at stage two anyway.



So there is no hidden agenda, no money to be made or stats to be pumped.

selym

9,581 posts

201 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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mini1380cc said:
Its fairly simple and I've discussed it with my MOT mate.

1) Stick it through the test, at which point they might pass anyway (zero effort).

2) If it fails adjust them (still only doing this once anyway).

3) "re-test" amounts to one extra minute at the MOT computer for a second print. There is no effort to re-test the lights apart from shining the lights against the wall which was done at stage two anyway.



So there is no hidden agenda, no money to be made or stats to be pumped.
That's fair enough. I wasn't trying to uncover a conspiracy, that explanation makes perfect sense.

LP670

910 posts

156 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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had the exact same thing happen to me on a previous MOT. I tought it might have had something to do with meeting a minimum failure rate.

bitwrx

Original Poster:

1,352 posts

234 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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selym said:
mini1380cc said:
Its fairly simple and I've discussed it with my MOT mate.

1) Stick it through the test, at which point they might pass anyway (zero effort).

2) If it fails adjust them (still only doing this once anyway).

3) "re-test" amounts to one extra minute at the MOT computer for a second print. There is no effort to re-test the lights apart from shining the lights against the wall which was done at stage two anyway.

So there is no hidden agenda, no money to be made or stats to be pumped.
That's fair enough. I wasn't trying to uncover a conspiracy, that explanation makes perfect sense.
Seems reasonable. Don't really buy the tin-foil hat stuff.

To be fair, it did fail pretty catastrophically anyway... duff driver's wiper blade. It had a 4" tear at each end of the rubber. Can't believe I didn't notice that over the 160 rainy miles I've done in the last 2 days. Or when I checked that the wipers cleared the windscreen effectively last night.

And it was a good job they replaced it with one that was nearly, but not quite, the same as the old one. I like non-standard bits on my car, especially when someone charges me for them without asking.

Thankfully they insisted on keeping hold of the old one, so now I have the pleasure of buying and fitting a whole new blade, rather than fitting a new rubber, and taking it back in tomorrow for my free partial retest.

TheEnd

15,370 posts

218 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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You do have to test the car "as presented", plus as people say, VOSA will have reams of data on pass and failure rates which will highlight a garage doing MOT's over the phone etc.

paintman

7,860 posts

220 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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The tester is not supposed to do any rectification work on the vehicle during the course of the test.
Common practice to do what you have experienced which is fine. Have had it myself a couple of times with light bulbs (and I do check all bulbs immediately before going to the test centre) - fail, fit new bulb, retest, pass.
The garage have no idea whether your car is a VOSA set-up to check that they are carrying out the test as prescribed. Worst case - although hardly likely in these circs - both the tester & the station could lose their tester status.

bitwrx

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1,352 posts

234 months

Thursday 30th January 2014
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Just spoke to a mate who is a mechanic at the local Honda dealership. He's had the people from vosa turn up and ask why they don't have enough cars fail on lights or whatever...

Tinfoil hats on everyone.