£30 a week - just to go to school?
Discussion
Following The Chancellor's announcement of a £61 billion spending round, one of the minor points concerned the encouragement of better school attendance by bunging the kids concerned £30/week as an incentive to turn up!
Do we have anybody from the educational establishment (or not!) who can enlighten this subject in terms of (a) it's very justification & (b) it's scope?
I wonder, with this type of extraordinary approach to fiscal policy, is it any surprise to encounter a 'something for nothing' mentallity in certain quarters within society?
After all, surely education is both an investment by and opportunity for, individuals to, broadly speaking, 'improve their prospects?'
What do you PHers think of this scheme?
Do we have anybody from the educational establishment (or not!) who can enlighten this subject in terms of (a) it's very justification & (b) it's scope?
I wonder, with this type of extraordinary approach to fiscal policy, is it any surprise to encounter a 'something for nothing' mentallity in certain quarters within society?
After all, surely education is both an investment by and opportunity for, individuals to, broadly speaking, 'improve their prospects?'
What do you PHers think of this scheme?
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What do you PHers think of this scheme?
In a couple of words: FCUKING MADNESS!
What sort of mentality is this sort of half baked, numbskull idea going to instill into our youth? What happens when they leave school, will they be expecting £100 a week to go to University? FFS if there is something we dont need any more of in this country its a 'somethingfornothing' attitude and giving kids money to attend something that is as essential as air and water is just plain ridiculous.
I'm not sure about the downgrading of cannabis, it appears that necking acid like its going out of fashion is de riguer in the cabinet office.
I am quite simply astonished, cold showers and running thats what school is all about!
Matt.
>> Edited by plotloss on Tuesday 16th July 11:19
Another stupid New Labour scheme thats doomed to failure..... So this is how it works: the dumb shcmuks who dont want to go to school and don't/cant get a job, now get £30 a week to spend on dope and alcohol, that YOU and ME have to work for to give them?? And this is sensible??
Right - hands up time: did ANYONE on here vote for Labour at the last election??
ps got me so mad I couldn't spell Labour right Grrrrrr!!
>> Edited by mondeoman on Tuesday 16th July 12:15
Right - hands up time: did ANYONE on here vote for Labour at the last election??
ps got me so mad I couldn't spell Labour right Grrrrrr!!
>> Edited by mondeoman on Tuesday 16th July 12:15
A stupid dumfcuk idea that only labour dogooders wingers and egalitarianists could think up. Better use the £30 per pupil to bring back Borstals, the Birch and thrash some sense into the little bastards... or use £30 to buy about 50 rounds of 7.62 softnose for the labour scrotes. I'm sure the country would be more glad of that.....
The kids who don't want to be there will just turn up under this scheme to get the £30 and disrupt the kids who do want to work.
If you are going to have to pay kids to go to school payment should be linked to their exams results. But then even this is a very bad idea in my view.
Help the people who want to go to uni but find it very difficult financially. I came out with debts that weren't too bad (thanks to my parents who sacrificed a lot) but now my credit rating is shot and I know I can't move out of home, buy a house, even get a credit card. Help the kids who want to succeed in life!!!
If you are going to have to pay kids to go to school payment should be linked to their exams results. But then even this is a very bad idea in my view.
Help the people who want to go to uni but find it very difficult financially. I came out with debts that weren't too bad (thanks to my parents who sacrificed a lot) but now my credit rating is shot and I know I can't move out of home, buy a house, even get a credit card. Help the kids who want to succeed in life!!!
I didn't vote for them, but my wife did and is not very very sorry and embarrassed and ashamed of herself.
It's a nonsense to pay kids to go to school, when they have no real outgoings (living at home etc) and then charge University students and give them no assistance when they have a lot of outgoings. A loan is no answer. A major incentive to getting a decent education is the hope of a reasonable job afterwards and the opportunity of a reasonable standard of living. When I left Uni I was hopeful of the day when I could have enough to buy a £25k car, not hopeful of the day when I could save £25k and pay off my Uni loan and have nothing. I am lucky that I got my education long before the current tits got into power, otherwise I would probably have thought twice about bothering.
It's a nonsense to pay kids to go to school, when they have no real outgoings (living at home etc) and then charge University students and give them no assistance when they have a lot of outgoings. A loan is no answer. A major incentive to getting a decent education is the hope of a reasonable job afterwards and the opportunity of a reasonable standard of living. When I left Uni I was hopeful of the day when I could have enough to buy a £25k car, not hopeful of the day when I could save £25k and pay off my Uni loan and have nothing. I am lucky that I got my education long before the current tits got into power, otherwise I would probably have thought twice about bothering.
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Right - hands up time: did ANYONE on here vote for Labout at the last election??
I wondered how long it would be before I saw that one. Not me. I wish the other lot would get their act together and show a bit of life - the Tory party conference looks like a Saga holidays reunion party.
Instead of giving the little darlings the £30 each (which the schoolgate drug dealers are already calculating as extra income), why not give it to the schools themselves. Reward good teachers with a good bonus and the shitty ones with the dole. That would be a vast improvement on the quality of the teachers, and not automatically put more money into the drug-dealers (and Nike, Adidas and other such crap manufacturers) pockets.
Schooling is one of the gereatest investments for the future of our country and it seams that these Labour nonces are trying to raise a mediocre lower class who have no education to be able to talk back. Why would they otherwise bring in University Fees and bribe kids with money for basic schooling..... Theres a commie conspiracy (or just plain stupidity) somewhere there!
Schooling is one of the gereatest investments for the future of our country and it seams that these Labour nonces are trying to raise a mediocre lower class who have no education to be able to talk back. Why would they otherwise bring in University Fees and bribe kids with money for basic schooling..... Theres a commie conspiracy (or just plain stupidity) somewhere there!
Agree what a stupid 
up idea, what are they on
Surely this will make the good kids bunk off school just to be paid to go back. Families on low income may keep their child off school to get the £30. And whats the incentive for the good kid. I always thought you were rewarded for being good not bad
up idea, what are they on Surely this will make the good kids bunk off school just to be paid to go back. Families on low income may keep their child off school to get the £30. And whats the incentive for the good kid. I always thought you were rewarded for being good not bad
Have to agree guys school is compulsory and you gain in the long term by your results. Bribing them won't improve education in fact it used to be a relief when some w@nker was absent that you could get on with teaching the ones that wanted to learn.
To improve education money needs to go to schools. The schools need more power to throw out scrotes and IMHO the school leaving age should allow unmotivatred kids to get a job at 15 then if they want they can come back to education at a later stage. Certainly I've met x-students in my night classes regretting that they didn't learn it first time.
I also believe that college/uni students should get the equivalent to the dole. I always remember in my uni days wondering why if I sat on my butt pretending to find work I got paid more than if I actually go out and study. Not right.
To improve education money needs to go to schools. The schools need more power to throw out scrotes and IMHO the school leaving age should allow unmotivatred kids to get a job at 15 then if they want they can come back to education at a later stage. Certainly I've met x-students in my night classes regretting that they didn't learn it first time.
I also believe that college/uni students should get the equivalent to the dole. I always remember in my uni days wondering why if I sat on my butt pretending to find work I got paid more than if I actually go out and study. Not right.
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What about some compulsory 'Parenting' lessons. Especially for the trashy fat cow in Tescos the other week who exploded with an array of four lettered words at her son who was all of 5 years old.
Absolutely. You can tell which kids have got parents that care and think. One of the things that really p@sses me off is seeing a parent giving sweets to a screaming kid in a supermarket to 'shut them up' Arrrrrrgggg FFS you're rewarding them for misbehaving!!!! 
I think you have hit the nail right on the head there Big M, it does all come back to the parents.
Question is, in these days of ultra PC behaviour being the norm what can be done to improve the standard of parenting? Obviously a Chinaesque license system is a bit draconian but there must be something that can be done.
Matt.
Question is, in these days of ultra PC behaviour being the norm what can be done to improve the standard of parenting? Obviously a Chinaesque license system is a bit draconian but there must be something that can be done.
Matt.
How about a basic high school 'graduation' (a la USA) level of qualification which is required before you can claim benefit?
I know there would have to be exceptions, but it might help lower the number of 'why get of my fat arse when the government will give me hand outs' types.
Any thoughts?
Sparks
I know there would have to be exceptions, but it might help lower the number of 'why get of my fat arse when the government will give me hand outs' types.
Any thoughts?
Sparks
Make em clean the streets if they wnat to claim benfits - plenty of work/jobs that would serve a useful civic purpose, but dont get done. So, you want benefits for not having a "proper" job, thats fine, but, you gotta do something for it - heres a broom, theres the road, get to it. No bees no honey, no work no money. Flippin simple!
Easy to administer, even creates a few jobs, gets something done, everyone is happy (except the perennially work-shy of course - let the fers starve!)
Easy to administer, even creates a few jobs, gets something done, everyone is happy (except the perennially work-shy of course - let the f
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How about a basic high school 'graduation' (a la USA) level of qualification which is required before you can claim benefit?
As un-PC as it may be (not that thats really a concern on PH!) I think thats a good idea. They also, in light of very little state healthcare, shift the onus of healthcare provision onto corporations. So if you want healthcare and are fully able bodied you basically have to get a job. Again, I see nothing wrong here.
Matt.
Doesn't a 16 year old unqualified school-leaver 'scrote' end up costing the taxpayer/DSS substantially more than this 'idea' ever would. This is the main driving force behind the scheme.
If todays yoof are brought up on a diet of avarice and mass marketed consumerist greed then control the shites with the same carrot. £30 a week, 100% attendance required (within reason), disruptive at school, get fined out of the £30 etc..
Kids have their value systems slewed by exposure to the modern way of life (3 yr old kids crying at the Italian Job because a E-type gets shoved down a cliff? Give me a break...) so you've got to control them using the same principles.
Its a bed that's now been made whether you like it or not...
funkihamsta
If todays yoof are brought up on a diet of avarice and mass marketed consumerist greed then control the shites with the same carrot. £30 a week, 100% attendance required (within reason), disruptive at school, get fined out of the £30 etc..
Kids have their value systems slewed by exposure to the modern way of life (3 yr old kids crying at the Italian Job because a E-type gets shoved down a cliff? Give me a break...) so you've got to control them using the same principles.
Its a bed that's now been made whether you like it or not...
funkihamsta
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