Car Crime
Monday 15th July 2002

Vehicle Crime Down

Time to celebrate or are the scroates up to no good elsewhere instead?


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pantsman

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37 posts

298 months

Tuesday 16th July 2002
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hertsbiker

6,443 posts

291 months

Tuesday 16th July 2002
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..and more houses are broken into, to locate car keys, before stealing your car without having work at it. Like CCTV - just moves the crime elsewhere without ever really solving anything.

plotloss

67,280 posts

290 months

Tuesday 16th July 2002
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It seems that in relation to these figures and the fact that as Carl has so rightly pointed out security systems just move the goal posts onto car jacking and car key theft that Audi's fingerprint access system might be a real and useful application of technology.

Matt.

mondeoman

11,430 posts

286 months

Tuesday 16th July 2002
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ummmm - nope - they'll just hold a gun to your head and get you to open the car - if they want it, they'll get it!

plotloss

67,280 posts

290 months

Tuesday 16th July 2002
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Yep, fair point, hadnt thought of that!

Doh!

Matt.

Fatboy

8,246 posts

292 months

Tuesday 16th July 2002
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How about fit all new cars with tracking systems at the factory (in some place bloody hard to get at), and have all containers loaded onto ships etc checked for the signal, and the police respond to all reports of stolen cars that are fitted with trackers (extra police time generated by slashing red tape) and therefore make it very difficult indeed to move on stolen cars, which should reduce the incidence?

mattjbatch

1,502 posts

291 months

Tuesday 16th July 2002
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Cynical hat on.

How long before its used to check your not speeding? Bit too Big Brother for me.

sjm

789 posts

304 months

Tuesday 16th July 2002
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I think it's time for more active and agressive anti theft devices. Forget silly noises and flashing lights, I want bloody great flame throwers coming out from under my sills and if they do get in then a large spike up thier arse through the seat and deadlocks that come on when they're in the car so that when you come back you can give them a good twatting.

sjm

q405mb

410 posts

285 months

Tuesday 16th July 2002
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This is a tough one. From personal experience, the more advanced and secure the anti-theft system installed, the more attractive it is for the thief to take the weakest link option, which simply happens to be his knife at your throat...

The obvious option is to improve the justice system to the point where the deterent to crime is the REAL threat of penalties. These guys get off too easily, and if they do get sentenced, they are out in short time for all manner of nonsense reasons. They do crime because they can get away with it! Crime does pay...

Harrigan

king arthur

7,516 posts

281 months

Tuesday 16th July 2002
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This is a tough one. From personal experience, the more advanced and secure the anti-theft system installed, the more attractive it is for the thief to take the weakest link option, which simply happens to be his knife at your throat...

The obvious option is to improve the justice system to the point where the deterent to crime is the REAL threat of penalties. These guys get off too easily, and if they do get sentenced, they are out in short time for all manner of nonsense reasons. They do crime because they can get away with it! Crime does pay...

Harrigan



Yes, as someone else pointed out in another thread, there is a perceived risk to each crime, and if the perceived risk is lower than the reward, the would-be criminal will not be deterred. Increasing the risk can be done by either improving detection rates, or increasing penalties. Improving detection means spending more on police resources, but increasing punishment shouldn't cost a penny, should it?

hertsbiker

6,443 posts

291 months

Tuesday 16th July 2002
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It seems that in relation to these figures and the fact that as Carl has so rightly pointed out security systems just move the goal posts onto car jacking and car key theft that Audi's fingerprint access system might be a real and useful application of technology.




Matt - Worse than that. They cut your hand off..

gnomesmith

2,458 posts

296 months

Tuesday 16th July 2002
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a large spike up thier arse through the seat and deadlocks that come on when they're in the car


I thought you said dreadlocks, conjured up quite an image!

Simonelite501

1,440 posts

288 months

Wednesday 17th July 2002
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I think it's time for more active and agressive anti theft devices. Forget silly noises and flashing lights, I want bloody great flame throwers coming out from under my sills and if they do get in then a large spike up thier arse through the seat and deadlocks that come on when they're in the car so that when you come back you can give them a good twatting.





Would the insurers class the car as a write off after the spike was deployed? I wouldn't want the car back after some scroats, scroat had been pinned into the drivers seat! If write off status could be assured, it would get my vote.

dans

1,142 posts

304 months

Wednesday 17th July 2002
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It seems that in relation to these figures and the fact that as Carl has so rightly pointed out security systems just move the goal posts onto car jacking and car key theft that Audi's fingerprint access system might be a real and useful application of technology.




Matt - Worse than that. They cut your hand off..





If it is similar to the other fingerprint systems like the one in my office, it also measures temperature and pulse....

Fatboy

8,246 posts

292 months

Wednesday 17th July 2002
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It seems that in relation to these figures and the fact that as Carl has so rightly pointed out security systems just move the goal posts onto car jacking and car key theft that Audi's fingerprint access system might be a real and useful application of technology.

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Matt - Worse than that. They cut your hand off..

IIRC many of todays fingerprint scanners require the finger to be at body temperature, therefore a severed finger/hand would not work...

What about have the crims clear landmines in the falklands or elsewhere until the cost of their misdeeds is paid for - IIRC it costs a shitload of money to clear landmines, they could work to repay the damage they did & pay for their keep while doing so? I'd also have thought the deterrant effect would be rather large as well...

mattjbatch

1,502 posts

291 months

Wednesday 17th July 2002
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What about have the crims clear landmines in the falklands or elsewhere until the cost of their misdeeds is paid for - IIRC it costs a shitload of money to clear landmines, they could work to repay the damage they did & pay for their keep while doing so? I'd also have thought the deterrant effect would be rather large as well...

The human rights tw@ts would love that

Windsorphil

888 posts

282 months

Wednesday 17th July 2002
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[IIRC many of todays fingerprint scanners require the finger to be at body temperature, therefore a severed finger/hand would not work...




I imagine that they could microwave it, or perhaps keep it warm in their mouths (like mad fishermen used to with their bait when I was a kid)