2nd interview but pay is too low I fear.
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Hi folks.
I have posted various posts on this forum about various matters now to do with work and looking at a new start.
I had an interview on 20th jan to work for one of the most prestigious caR bRands in the world as a driver for the service team, doing pick ups, drop offs and other tasks within the service industry. The job sounds challenging, especially with some of the clients, who because they have money, feel they are a step above mere mortals and can be very challenging, but I'm used to that anyway.
It does however give me the opportunity to drive some of the finest cars in the world from various brands. The garage also does specialist buying, so it could involve driving other top brand cars as well from around the country.
I love driving, am a skilled driver (not track) and think I could really enjoy this job, but I think the wage is going to be too low..... There was no wage advertised, and in one email between the Receptionist and I, she mentioned the wage is around £18k OTE, which is about half what I earn at present and not a drop I could afford.
I have a second interview this week and I think I'm gonna just have to ask outright what the wage is, and if it's too low, declare myself out. I'll be gutted.
Anyone been in a similar position?
I have posted various posts on this forum about various matters now to do with work and looking at a new start.
I had an interview on 20th jan to work for one of the most prestigious caR bRands in the world as a driver for the service team, doing pick ups, drop offs and other tasks within the service industry. The job sounds challenging, especially with some of the clients, who because they have money, feel they are a step above mere mortals and can be very challenging, but I'm used to that anyway.
It does however give me the opportunity to drive some of the finest cars in the world from various brands. The garage also does specialist buying, so it could involve driving other top brand cars as well from around the country.
I love driving, am a skilled driver (not track) and think I could really enjoy this job, but I think the wage is going to be too low..... There was no wage advertised, and in one email between the Receptionist and I, she mentioned the wage is around £18k OTE, which is about half what I earn at present and not a drop I could afford.
I have a second interview this week and I think I'm gonna just have to ask outright what the wage is, and if it's too low, declare myself out. I'll be gutted.
Anyone been in a similar position?
If it really is too low, mull it over then tell them your reason for rejecting the offer.
The real problem you'll have is its just a car delivery/driving job. It may sound amazing now, but after a while, once the novelty wears off - when you're minds on doing the job professionally and not getting into any kind of mishaps (speed or accidents) - the cars will feel like cars, nothing particularly special.
Its different to having the cars yourself, trust me.
It also sounds like you'd be effectively on the bottom rung of the workshop hierarchy, with the least qualified position (yes, experience etc... may get you into the role to be trusted, but the only pre-requisite would be a driving licence). Pretty sure you'd get bored.
With this in mind, I wouldn't take a pay drop for it - If you want to get into something automotive related but interesting, its never too late to do a foundation degree/hnd part time (I had to go in 2 days a week for this portion of my degree) which should be enough to get you involved in a more engineering type position for a manufacturer (theyre crying out for people) or in motorsport. Age is fairly irrelevant, its never too late. 20 years ago 79 was considered a good age, now its getting onto 90!
The real problem you'll have is its just a car delivery/driving job. It may sound amazing now, but after a while, once the novelty wears off - when you're minds on doing the job professionally and not getting into any kind of mishaps (speed or accidents) - the cars will feel like cars, nothing particularly special.
Its different to having the cars yourself, trust me.
It also sounds like you'd be effectively on the bottom rung of the workshop hierarchy, with the least qualified position (yes, experience etc... may get you into the role to be trusted, but the only pre-requisite would be a driving licence). Pretty sure you'd get bored.
With this in mind, I wouldn't take a pay drop for it - If you want to get into something automotive related but interesting, its never too late to do a foundation degree/hnd part time (I had to go in 2 days a week for this portion of my degree) which should be enough to get you involved in a more engineering type position for a manufacturer (theyre crying out for people) or in motorsport. Age is fairly irrelevant, its never too late. 20 years ago 79 was considered a good age, now its getting onto 90!
Matt Harper said:
I'm curious - how do you set targets for duties like those described here? Do you get your 18K if you manage to accomplish the pick-ups and drop-offs?
Normally itll be if you're working at a reasonable rate for the hours you're 'at work' - which means when its quiet you often get the crap jobs.That said, its not really much different to a lot of positions, a shelf stacker in asda doesnt get paid on how many items they stack...
The performance of very few jobs is monitored, only that you're fulfilling the need and not obviously slacking.
Edit: Just noticed the whole point of your comment 'ote'....yea, whats up with that! could be much less than 18k
Thanks for the posts folks.
I think the reality is that this job is not going to pay a wage that I could consider working for. I would love to be in a position to take it up and try to get some experience that I could then approach other companies with, as ultimately I would love to work for someone like Bentley at their Crewe workshops, which as not far from me, doing some kind of development role.
I am not a university scholar though and the only job I have ever really done is the Police. I fear I have missed the boat I would like to be on.
Cheers, Mark.
I think the reality is that this job is not going to pay a wage that I could consider working for. I would love to be in a position to take it up and try to get some experience that I could then approach other companies with, as ultimately I would love to work for someone like Bentley at their Crewe workshops, which as not far from me, doing some kind of development role.
I am not a university scholar though and the only job I have ever really done is the Police. I fear I have missed the boat I would like to be on.
Cheers, Mark.
dave_s13 said:
How can you possibly expect to earn 35k+just shuffling cars about the place?
Dream job if it could ever exist.
Don't get me wrong, I was never expecting it to be that much, like you said 'dream job'. I just wish I could afford to do it in order to get my foot in the door.Dream job if it could ever exist.
Never mind.
il-mostro said:
Thanks for the posts folks.
I think the reality is that this job is not going to pay a wage that I could consider working for. I would love to be in a position to take it up and try to get some experience that I could then approach other companies with, as ultimately I would love to work for someone like Bentley at their Crewe workshops, which as not far from me, doing some kind of development role.
I am not a university scholar though and the only job I have ever really done is the Police. I fear I have missed the boat I would like to be on.
Cheers, Mark.
From your other post you indicate you're 35? THIS IS NOT OLD. No boats have been missed, you have at least 30 years more working in you, you may as well do something you love.I think the reality is that this job is not going to pay a wage that I could consider working for. I would love to be in a position to take it up and try to get some experience that I could then approach other companies with, as ultimately I would love to work for someone like Bentley at their Crewe workshops, which as not far from me, doing some kind of development role.
I am not a university scholar though and the only job I have ever really done is the Police. I fear I have missed the boat I would like to be on.
Cheers, Mark.
There are plenty of 30+ mature students in education, ultimately they're extremely employable. However, if you want to get involved with development at this stage at all you will need relevant academic study I promise you, do it part time or full time. You absolutely will not be able to move from effectively car delivery to an engineering role without some engineering basis.
Once you have this basis you'll be extremely in demand and immediately eligible for the vast array of contracting jobs within the automotive industry available at the moment, there's a huge shortage of engineers.
I know I started a little earlier but take me for example, graduating from uni at 27 and immediately into a role which I should (if I wanted to) be able to pay off all my student debts within 12 months, after outgoings and living a nice lifestyle. Its also worth baring in mind that as someone over 25, you'll be eligible for every bit of financial help going. Iirc I got £8500 per year in addition to my fee loan to cover roughly 35 weeks a year of study and in the first 2 years I could have fitted in more than 3 days a week in a day job. If I was feeling sadistic, I could have done the same in the final year. Its not easy, it means 3/4 years of sacrifice but it'd be daft not to consider it given the jobs/lifestyle/money/prospects afterwards.
Imo as nice as the cars are, you're wasting your time delivering cars if you want to eventually develop them.
crosseyedlion said:
il-mostro said:
Thanks for the posts folks.
I think the reality is that this job is not going to pay a wage that I could consider working for. I would love to be in a position to take it up and try to get some experience that I could then approach other companies with, as ultimately I would love to work for someone like Bentley at their Crewe workshops, which as not far from me, doing some kind of development role.
I am not a university scholar though and the only job I have ever really done is the Police. I fear I have missed the boat I would like to be on.
Cheers, Mark.
From your other post you indicate you're 35? THIS IS NOT OLD. No boats have been missed, you have at least 30 years more working in you, you may as well do something you love.I think the reality is that this job is not going to pay a wage that I could consider working for. I would love to be in a position to take it up and try to get some experience that I could then approach other companies with, as ultimately I would love to work for someone like Bentley at their Crewe workshops, which as not far from me, doing some kind of development role.
I am not a university scholar though and the only job I have ever really done is the Police. I fear I have missed the boat I would like to be on.
Cheers, Mark.
There are plenty of 30+ mature students in education, ultimately they're extremely employable. However, if you want to get involved with development at this stage at all you will need relevant academic study I promise you, do it part time or full time. You absolutely will not be able to move from effectively car delivery to an engineering role without some engineering basis.
Once you have this basis you'll be extremely in demand and immediately eligible for the vast array of contracting jobs within the automotive industry available at the moment, there's a huge shortage of engineers.
I know I started a little earlier but take me for example, graduating from uni at 27 and immediately into a role which I should (if I wanted to) be able to pay off all my student debts within 12 months, after outgoings and living a nice lifestyle. Its also worth baring in mind that as someone over 25, you'll be eligible for every bit of financial help going. Iirc I got £8500 per year in addition to my fee loan to cover roughly 35 weeks a year of study and in the first 2 years I could have fitted in more than 3 days a week in a day job. If I was feeling sadistic, I could have done the same in the final year. Its not easy, it means 3/4 years of sacrifice but it'd be daft not to consider it given the jobs/lifestyle/money/prospects afterwards.
Imo as nice as the cars are, you're wasting your time delivering cars if you want to eventually develop them.
If you want to drive nice cars, aim for a decent career, and then buy/rent what you want. If you're in your 30's then you have plenty of time to try a new career.
My initial instinct would be to graciously decline the offer if it comes and let them know why.
as someone pointed out, at 35 (as I am) no boats have been missed, BUT also you have more responsibilities than you did at 18 and if there's no chance for progression, what's the point.
Seriously up to a few years ago I worked in asset finance, and because I was young and into cars I get involved with a lot of high-end cars deals, part of doing one of those was if it was worth more than £50k you had to do asset inspection, a simple, no BS eyeball at it, and note down the VIN from somewhere in the car, not the paperwork, for a while this was great - I'd amble down to Ferrari and be taken to gawp at a 430, a day later I might be in Bentley, Aston, Porsche whathaveyou, but sitting in one, even driving one (very carefully because your job depends on it) isn't the same as owning one.
Even doing it once or twice a week it go boring very quickly, okay you'll get to drive some great cars, but you'll be out on your ear if you drive them anything other than properly.
And in my experience when you're talking about the type of person who can afford a supercar and wants one you do get a slightly higher proportion of demanding people, but if you're paying £200k for a car, you might have the right to be.
as someone pointed out, at 35 (as I am) no boats have been missed, BUT also you have more responsibilities than you did at 18 and if there's no chance for progression, what's the point.
Seriously up to a few years ago I worked in asset finance, and because I was young and into cars I get involved with a lot of high-end cars deals, part of doing one of those was if it was worth more than £50k you had to do asset inspection, a simple, no BS eyeball at it, and note down the VIN from somewhere in the car, not the paperwork, for a while this was great - I'd amble down to Ferrari and be taken to gawp at a 430, a day later I might be in Bentley, Aston, Porsche whathaveyou, but sitting in one, even driving one (very carefully because your job depends on it) isn't the same as owning one.
Even doing it once or twice a week it go boring very quickly, okay you'll get to drive some great cars, but you'll be out on your ear if you drive them anything other than properly.
And in my experience when you're talking about the type of person who can afford a supercar and wants one you do get a slightly higher proportion of demanding people, but if you're paying £200k for a car, you might have the right to be.
To be honest £18k sounds quite reasonable. A friend of mine works for a BMW dealership and works in their service dept now, but started as a driver. He was earning between £15k and £16k, in the South-East of England.
He loved doing it, driving about in M3s, M5s, the occasional Z8 even! Obviously there was a lot of boring stuff as well. The novelty does wear off, and he ended up moving to the services dept to get his salary up a bit.
He loved doing it, driving about in M3s, M5s, the occasional Z8 even! Obviously there was a lot of boring stuff as well. The novelty does wear off, and he ended up moving to the services dept to get his salary up a bit.
Is this the role in Knutsford? If it is I had an interview there as well. They said that the pay was £18-£19k for a 8am to 6pm, mon to fri. It sounded like a good opportunity to drive some very nice cars but didn't seem to offer much in the way of progression. At the interview I was told that there had been over 500 applications for the position!
MadeinWigan said:
Is this the role in Knutsford? If it is I had an interview there as well. They said that the pay was £18-£19k for a 8am to 6pm, mon to fri. It sounded like a good opportunity to drive some very nice cars but didn't seem to offer much in the way of progression. At the interview I was told that there had been over 500 applications for the position!
Sure is. I'm supposed to be having a second intv tomorrow but kind of lost my motivation now. Think I'll stick to what I'm doing for now. Gassing Station | Jobs & Employment Matters | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff