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To use regularly, like once a month, but something that doesn't take a day to put on and take off, i use Autoglym Resin Polish.
To use once in a blue moon (they occur about once a year usually), something like Meguiars 3 step, which is a body cleanser, then polish, then carnauba wax. This takes a full day to do.
Just my £0.02
VS
To use once in a blue moon (they occur about once a year usually), something like Meguiars 3 step, which is a body cleanser, then polish, then carnauba wax. This takes a full day to do.
Just my £0.02
VS
Both Swissol and Zymol are excellent. I use swissol as it is easier to apply and a better price. Results are outstanding.
You should differentiate between a polish and a wax - they perform different functions and a car should never simply be polished and then just left - should always be properly waxed as this forms a protective layer. Polishing strips off all protection and leaves the paint very clean, but exposed to the elements.
Also differentiate between abrasive and non-abrasive shampoos and polishes. Auto Glym is an abrasive polish and can cause swirl marks and remove a tiny amount of your cleancoat each time. Non-abrasive polishes can be bought from swissol which do a better job and are kind to the paintwork.
You could post this question in the car care section on porschaforum.com - there's a bloke called tony spears who hangs around there - he is a professional detailer and swissol reseller, and will answer any queries you have.
You should differentiate between a polish and a wax - they perform different functions and a car should never simply be polished and then just left - should always be properly waxed as this forms a protective layer. Polishing strips off all protection and leaves the paint very clean, but exposed to the elements.
Also differentiate between abrasive and non-abrasive shampoos and polishes. Auto Glym is an abrasive polish and can cause swirl marks and remove a tiny amount of your cleancoat each time. Non-abrasive polishes can be bought from swissol which do a better job and are kind to the paintwork.
You could post this question in the car care section on porschaforum.com - there's a bloke called tony spears who hangs around there - he is a professional detailer and swissol reseller, and will answer any queries you have.
For ease of use if you want to go down seperate wax and polish route you could try P21s its fantastic and cheaper than zymol etc.
I am using zymol titanium wax at the moment its easy and lasts for absolutely ages.
The HD clense (polish) however is an asolute pain to use so I use the P21 polish and the zymol titanium wax.
I am using zymol titanium wax at the moment its easy and lasts for absolutely ages.
The HD clense (polish) however is an asolute pain to use so I use the P21 polish and the zymol titanium wax.
I've been using a dry wash product called Dri wash n guard. - It's fantastic stuff, it lifts the dirt without washing and polishes straight off leaving an amazing deep long lasting protective film gloss.
It's cheap, but best of all you don't have to wash your car (unless it's plastered in thick mud) - "wax on -wax off" Job done - full 911 done in less than 30mins.
Highly recommend it.
www.infowiz.co.uk/envirotech.htm
It's cheap, but best of all you don't have to wash your car (unless it's plastered in thick mud) - "wax on -wax off" Job done - full 911 done in less than 30mins.
Highly recommend it.
www.infowiz.co.uk/envirotech.htm
GreigM said:
Both Swissol and Zymol are excellent. I use swissol as it is easier to apply and a better price. Results are outstanding.
You should differentiate between a polish and a wax - they perform different functions and a car should never simply be polished and then just left - should always be properly waxed as this forms a protective layer. Polishing strips off all protection and leaves the paint very clean, but exposed to the elements.
Also differentiate between abrasive and non-abrasive shampoos and polishes. Auto Glym is an abrasive polish and can cause swirl marks and remove a tiny amount of your cleancoat each time. Non-abrasive polishes can be bought from swissol which do a better job and are kind to the paintwork.
I agree with all of this. If anyone would like free advice about Swissol and how to get the best out of their products, please feel free to contact me - I am an authorised distributor and professional car valeter.
regards,
v12v8 said:
I agree with all of this. If anyone would like free advice about Swissol and how to get the best out of their products, please feel free to contact me - I am an authorised distributor and professional car valeter.
regards,
Ah, a professional to ask!... is there really any tangible benefits from using expensive highend products like Swissol or Zymol as opposed to other good wax products such as P21, Megrauires(?) or similar, who use Carnubia Wax as the main waxing ingredient. Can the higher end products ever justify thier cost given the core ingredient is similar. I suspect sometimes that the Swiss/Zy type products are more 'lifestyle' buys - i.e. I've spent 360k on my Porsche so £100 on a tub of wax is justified.
I've had fantastic results with some inexpensive Carnubia based products but I'll take the advice of a pro...
Kieran
>> Edited by kieran on Thursday 18th November 17:54
>> Edited by kieran on Thursday 18th November 17:55
kieran said:
Ah, a professional to ask!... is there really any tangible benefits from using expensive highend products like Swissol or Zymol as opposed to other good wax products such as P21, Megrauires(?) or similar, who use Carnubia Wax as the main waxing ingredient. Can the higher end products ever justify thier cost given the core ingredient is similar. I suspect sometimes that the Swiss/Zy type products are more 'lifestyle' buys - i.e. I've spent 360k on my Porsche so £100 on a tub of wax is justified.
I've had fantastic results with some inexpensive Carnubia based products but I'll take the advice of a pro...
Kieran
I understand your cynicism. Before I became a valeter, I would have shared your point of view. Rather than dazzle you with hyperbole and marketing mush, the simple fact is that Swissol works and gets consistent results, every time. It is easier to apply than other competitive products (in my opinion) and seems to last longer.
Buying car cleaning products, however, is a very subjective experience. What works for one person, will not work for someone else. However, I use Swissol because I get the results I expect and even more importantly, I get the same high level of result every time.
Other products work just fine, and yes some are more abrasive on your car than others. But just because a product has an equivalent amount of the same ingredient, does not mean it will achieve the same result. As an example, you can buy something like vodka or gin and pay between £5 and £25 for a bottle. It's the same stuff, but invariably, the more expensive product has been refined and will be of a higher quality (although admittedly, if you drink a bottle of gin, it doesn't how much it cost, you will be
). You also need to factor in the "human element". Some people have little patience for cleaning their car, and others will be perfectionists. Swissol satisfies both ends of the spectrum, although as a result it is invariably more expensive.
Lastly, you need to factor in things such as (1) durability and (2) quantity. My experience with Swissol is that it is very expensive, but I use marginal quantities, every so often - not every week.
I typically clean a car left outside all year as follows: once every 9-12 months with cleaning fluid, I wax the car every 3 months and wash the car every 2 to 4 weeks (using a PH neutral car wash to avoid removing the wax you have been applying). Tar spots, light surface scratches etc are dealt with each time I wash the car. I clean the interior as necessary.
Again, if you (or anyone else) would like any advice, I'm always happy to help.
regards,
>> Edited by v12v8 on Friday 19th November 12:22
I've recently discovered what difference a good quality shampoo makes at the start of the process.
I had been using Halfords cheap own brand car wash and then Zymol cleaner wax. I was getting a good result, but it was only when I got the car back from having some work done at the specialist and it was so shiny from just a wash that I made the change.
I now use the Zymol car shampoo which gives a fantastic shine even without going on to use the cleaner wax.
My 924S is 18 years old and people constantly comment on how shiny it is!
I now want to take it a step further and am looking at getting some detailing clay and then following this with a full 3 stage process to get a good coating on it for the winter.
I was thinking of using the Meguiar's range for this - anyone have any other recomendations?
I had been using Halfords cheap own brand car wash and then Zymol cleaner wax. I was getting a good result, but it was only when I got the car back from having some work done at the specialist and it was so shiny from just a wash that I made the change.
I now use the Zymol car shampoo which gives a fantastic shine even without going on to use the cleaner wax.
My 924S is 18 years old and people constantly comment on how shiny it is!
I now want to take it a step further and am looking at getting some detailing clay and then following this with a full 3 stage process to get a good coating on it for the winter.
I was thinking of using the Meguiar's range for this - anyone have any other recomendations?
v12v8 said:
I am a professional car valeter
Slightly underselling yourself there Nick, o humble Group Captain
kieran said:
but I'll take the advice of a pro...
Who isn't biased towards Swissol products at all
Seriously, Nick's a good guy, but that stuff is feckin expensive.
I'm afraid i fall into the category of "have little patience (or time more to the point) for car cleaning"... hence why I am very interested in the story about the Zymol car shampoo.
I usually use Halfords or whatever is the best price presuming that most of them are all the same under the bubbles. I am currently using Triple Wax... will there be a noticeable difference between this brand and say the Zymol shampoo.
I feel very guilty that it got in such a state on EuroHoon and really should strip it right back and give it a good polish and wax... but like I say... it's having the time.
burriana500 said:
I'm afraid i fall into the category of "have little patience (or time more to the point) for car cleaning"... hence why I am very interested in the story about the Zymol car shampoo.
Sounds like a man after my own heart.
In summer i wash the car twice a week, in winter only once a week, but i like to give it a "light" wash. I can only do this if i have something "heavy" to keep the dirt and the paint apart.
Reading some reviews here on PH about this P21S stuff, it sounds like it might be just up my street.
VS
Al, I won't do the whole 
thing to you on the forum, but we think alike, so here goes...
I can assure you that using shampoo alone will NOT give you the results you are after.
The main difference is on how alkali/acidic the shampoo is. If you wax your car (even if only once a year) and use a shampoo that is either alkali or acidic, it will remove the wax - just like the soap you use to get it off your hands afterwards.
If, however, you use a PH neutral shampoo (Swissol bath, Zymol car shampoo or (even) something like Johnsons baby shampoo), it will leave the car looking like it has just been waxed - because the wax you put on last time round is still on the car!
Next time you are down South Al, pop in and I'll do the car and send you away with some Swissol bath. You'll see what I mean.
As regards price, yes it is feckin expensive. But because you need less of it, it lasts even longer and so in the long run you end up with better results for not dissimilar cash per application. I have a tub of wax that cost £49. I have done approximately 20 cars with it and have 1/3rd of a tub left - that works out at £1.60 a go and each car looks fantastic...
regards,
PS. Not trying to convert anyone, only justifying why I use it
thing to you on the forum, but we think alike, so here goes... I can assure you that using shampoo alone will NOT give you the results you are after.
The main difference is on how alkali/acidic the shampoo is. If you wax your car (even if only once a year) and use a shampoo that is either alkali or acidic, it will remove the wax - just like the soap you use to get it off your hands afterwards.
If, however, you use a PH neutral shampoo (Swissol bath, Zymol car shampoo or (even) something like Johnsons baby shampoo), it will leave the car looking like it has just been waxed - because the wax you put on last time round is still on the car!
Next time you are down South Al, pop in and I'll do the car and send you away with some Swissol bath. You'll see what I mean.
As regards price, yes it is feckin expensive. But because you need less of it, it lasts even longer and so in the long run you end up with better results for not dissimilar cash per application. I have a tub of wax that cost £49. I have done approximately 20 cars with it and have 1/3rd of a tub left - that works out at £1.60 a go and each car looks fantastic...
regards,
PS. Not trying to convert anyone, only justifying why I use it
Here we go!
Please expalin the chemistry
"If, however, you use a PH neutral shampoo (Swissol bath, Zymol car shampoo or (even) something like Johnsons baby shampoo), it will leave the car looking like it has just been waxed - because the wax you put on last time round is still on the car! "
Please expalin the chemistry
"If, however, you use a PH neutral shampoo (Swissol bath, Zymol car shampoo or (even) something like Johnsons baby shampoo), it will leave the car looking like it has just been waxed - because the wax you put on last time round is still on the car! "
I used to use Autoglym Resin Polish but have moved to Swissol recently. The main difference I noticed is that the Swissol wax keeps the rain beading off the car for a hell of a lot longer than Autoglym. Also, there's none of the chalky white stuff you get from Autoglym. Also when you wash the car after it's been waxed with Swissol, the finish is as good as it was when it was first waxed.
I didn't notice any difference in overall finish, I guess I should have done one half of the car in Swissol and the other in Autoglym for a real comparison.
I didn't notice any difference in overall finish, I guess I should have done one half of the car in Swissol and the other in Autoglym for a real comparison.
cuneus said:
Here we go!
Please expalin the chemistry
"If, however, you use a PH neutral shampoo (Swissol bath, Zymol car shampoo or (even) something like Johnsons baby shampoo), it will leave the car looking like it has just been waxed - because the wax you put on last time round is still on the car! "
Detergent on grease equals emulsification.
v12v8 said:
Here we go!
Please expalin the chemistry
"If, however, you use a PH neutral shampoo (Swissol bath, Zymol car shampoo or (even) something like Johnsons baby shampoo), it will leave the car looking like it has just been waxed - because the wax you put on last time round is still on the car! "
Detergent on grease equals emulsification.
I'm sorry but that is utter rubbish, you will have to a lot better that that
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