The grip circle.
Discussion
Grip circles are often mentioned on car sites but they seem to be only useful when talking about theoretical g-forces not driving well. Driving well seems to be the ability to load the tyres as fast as the car body moves but no faster so you don't overload the tyres. It seems to have nothing to do with the grip circle. Am I wrong?
iloveboost said:
Grip circles are often mentioned on car sites but they seem to be only useful when talking about theoretical g-forces not driving well. Driving well seems to be the ability to load the tyres as fast as the car body moves but no faster so you don't overload the tyres. It seems to have nothing to do with the grip circle. Am I wrong?
Overloading it would be taking it outside the grip circle, no?
You don't have to be patronising or sarcastic because you've misunderstood me.
My point is that the grip circles people commonly reference don't take into account weight transfer only theoretical g-force and they suggest you should neither brake nor accelerate for maximum lateral cornering force and that this is bs unless you have a perfectly neutral car in all conditions and in all corners.
I'm NOT talking about the load vs tyre slip grip circles used in racing games like Forza.
If I appear crazy it is intended to be humorous but that obviously doesn't translate well onto the internet because despite the hints from emoticons
that I'm being sarcastic/funnny sometimes people don't realise.
Thanks.
My point is that the grip circles people commonly reference don't take into account weight transfer only theoretical g-force and they suggest you should neither brake nor accelerate for maximum lateral cornering force and that this is bs unless you have a perfectly neutral car in all conditions and in all corners.
I'm NOT talking about the load vs tyre slip grip circles used in racing games like Forza.
If I appear crazy it is intended to be humorous but that obviously doesn't translate well onto the internet because despite the hints from emoticons
that I'm being sarcastic/funnny sometimes people don't realise.Thanks.
iloveboost said:
You don't have to be patronising or sarcastic because you've misunderstood me.
My point is that the grip circles people commonly reference don't take into account weight transfer only theoretical g-force and they suggest you should neither brake nor accelerate for maximum lateral cornering force and that this is bs unless you have a perfectly neutral car in all conditions and in all corners.
I'm NOT talking about the load vs tyre slip grip circles used in racing games like Forza.
If I appear crazy it is intended to be humorous but that obviously doesn't translate well onto the internet because despite the hints from emoticons that I'm being sarcastic/funnny sometimes people don't realise.
Thanks.
No offence intended, I get the concept, but as you rightly point out unless there are no other variables it is not that simple.My point is that the grip circles people commonly reference don't take into account weight transfer only theoretical g-force and they suggest you should neither brake nor accelerate for maximum lateral cornering force and that this is bs unless you have a perfectly neutral car in all conditions and in all corners.
I'm NOT talking about the load vs tyre slip grip circles used in racing games like Forza.
If I appear crazy it is intended to be humorous but that obviously doesn't translate well onto the internet because despite the hints from emoticons
that I'm being sarcastic/funnny sometimes people don't realise.Thanks.
Suspension geometry and weight distribution have a huge effect, Imagine any semi trailing arm car being faster 'rolling' through a corner than being powered through? There are a lot of variables. The fact that grip circles sounds a bit Troy Queef only adds to it's lack of credibility.
American acrs get over-tyred to get the highest g on tests but they also do the largely pointless slalom which generally doesn't correlate.
In reality even if one ccar can pull over a g and the other under a g, no-one will know in 99% of driving unless you're going to be pinning the throttle on a race track every day.
Americans just like big figures they can aim for and beat, never see that it has much point. They even fit a g meter in the Corvette HUD.
In reality even if one ccar can pull over a g and the other under a g, no-one will know in 99% of driving unless you're going to be pinning the throttle on a race track every day.
Americans just like big figures they can aim for and beat, never see that it has much point. They even fit a g meter in the Corvette HUD.
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