Belfield Engineering.
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December issue of Kit-Car has a bit in about Belfield Engineering. They are publicising the Sierra chassis again & also offer other replacement Jago parts.
I asked about a hood for my Sandero which sells for £399 + postage.
For a Jago with a correct V5, any number of new parts can be used with the Sierra base - virtually a new kit I suppose & be classed as a restoration.
A new kit built from scratch would require an SVA test of which the general concensus says the Jago wouldn't pass. New Eagle RV's pass the SVA though so anyone interested would do well to scrutinise one of those to see how they have been made SVA compliant.
If I win the Lottery tomorrow night I promise i'll get a Jago through the SVA (thats 5 numbers+bonus ball and above!)
>>> Edited by swizzjnr on Friday 19th November 21:01
I asked about a hood for my Sandero which sells for £399 + postage.
For a Jago with a correct V5, any number of new parts can be used with the Sierra base - virtually a new kit I suppose & be classed as a restoration.
A new kit built from scratch would require an SVA test of which the general concensus says the Jago wouldn't pass. New Eagle RV's pass the SVA though so anyone interested would do well to scrutinise one of those to see how they have been made SVA compliant.
If I win the Lottery tomorrow night I promise i'll get a Jago through the SVA (thats 5 numbers+bonus ball and above!)
>>> Edited by swizzjnr on Friday 19th November 21:01
After just 7 days of Jago ownership I feel like I have already won the lottery , its given me celebrity status !
Can you have any more fun with your clothes on?
On a more serious note (yeah right) , as I venture into town on this very crisp morning is it possible to get testicular influenza ? or should I just buy a hard top............?
Cheers
Mark
Can you have any more fun with your clothes on?
On a more serious note (yeah right) , as I venture into town on this very crisp morning is it possible to get testicular influenza ? or should I just buy a hard top............?
Cheers
Mark
Re: excessive ventilation
No don't buy a hardtop, just get one of the club's bodywarmers- they are long enough to protect lower regions (specifically kidney area) that get the worst of the breeze. Then choose a sweatshirt for arm protection !!! I can recommend having a tonneau made though, it keeps the worst of the back draught out and a good heater will work effectively at lower speeds.
I have often considered buying up all of the unused Jago cars and rebuilding them and then letting them slowly back onto the market. Not sure I'd even bother with new chassis as with the right wheels and springs, they are comfortable/stable enough.
Cheers
Ian
No don't buy a hardtop, just get one of the club's bodywarmers- they are long enough to protect lower regions (specifically kidney area) that get the worst of the breeze. Then choose a sweatshirt for arm protection !!! I can recommend having a tonneau made though, it keeps the worst of the back draught out and a good heater will work effectively at lower speeds.
I have often considered buying up all of the unused Jago cars and rebuilding them and then letting them slowly back onto the market. Not sure I'd even bother with new chassis as with the right wheels and springs, they are comfortable/stable enough.
Cheers
Ian
ours has a crap heater dont think it has a stat fitted in the pinto and is a little draughty but i still use it just put on a coat and if neccessary get a jago owners club bobble hat we have harold and hilda style matching ones - very stylish!!
suspension is fine only reason to go sierra is if i break all the escort difs in the uk which is possible - one in geep one in samuri and bugger me if i didnt bust the dif in my r/c nitro truck am i destined forever to be difless dave????
still seems easier to get the toy one from texas than find an escort axle lol
may be off roading in my niva tromorrow wonder if the 3 diffs will survive???
wish me luck!!!
suspension is fine only reason to go sierra is if i break all the escort difs in the uk which is possible - one in geep one in samuri and bugger me if i didnt bust the dif in my r/c nitro truck am i destined forever to be difless dave????
still seems easier to get the toy one from texas than find an escort axle lol
may be off roading in my niva tromorrow wonder if the 3 diffs will survive???
wish me luck!!!
Hi Boys Logibear here
I am interested in the comments re - "heaters".
My GP has no top, neither do I want one. We had a drive to-day for approx an hour and it wasn't to bad. However, I do wonder about installing a matrix and fan. It must make some difference and the foot/lower leg area is reasonably enclosed.
Any suggestions please also to type of matrix e.g. mini etc.
It is a Mk1 Escort 1300 X-flow ( I think )
Thank you
LOGI
I am interested in the comments re - "heaters".
My GP has no top, neither do I want one. We had a drive to-day for approx an hour and it wasn't to bad. However, I do wonder about installing a matrix and fan. It must make some difference and the foot/lower leg area is reasonably enclosed.
Any suggestions please also to type of matrix e.g. mini etc.
It is a Mk1 Escort 1300 X-flow ( I think )
Thank you
LOGI
I have a Mini heater installed but it has the original 1/2" pipes to/from the matrix. The trick is to get the matrix modified to take 5/8" pipes which match the Ford hoses. NB- the whole pipe must be replaced, it's not good enough just to have adapters soldered on. Once you've chosen the correct thermostat, you'll be laughing for longer than the twenty miles it usually takes for the adrenalin to wear off.
I've noticed that the heater in my Mk4 Escort cabrio gets very hot, so maybe that matrix and casing could be modified to fit.
Usual thing though- make sure that your current device is sludge-free and that none of the pipes are kinked or internally collapsed. Mine have stainless spring things inside to prevent that.
I've noticed that the heater in my Mk4 Escort cabrio gets very hot, so maybe that matrix and casing could be modified to fit.
Usual thing though- make sure that your current device is sludge-free and that none of the pipes are kinked or internally collapsed. Mine have stainless spring things inside to prevent that.
Most heaters that are currently in most Jago's have a poor output due to the matrix possibly being clogged up due to years of coolant and the fan motors are often on their last legs regards pushing the air out of the system.
We make our own heaters and use more modern matrix such as Mk3/4 Escort and Sierra.
For the fan we use half (the motor half of course) of the centrifugal fan from the Sierra or Mk3/4 Escort.
The heater box is ply which once built to the dimensions we require all seams are sealed by fibreglassing all joints.
Regards air outlets we use the larger size output pipe you usually find on the Mk2 Escort or the same as above donors. Too small a pipe restricts the air flow and so results in poor heat output.
The main area (as it is a legal requirement) that is addressed first is the windscreen demist followed by cab heating.
On Panther the arrangement is windscreen and the Mk2 eye ball vents on both outside edges of the dash (they fit properly in the Sammie dash as it is as wide as the original Escort) Then we have fitted two of the oblong vents from the centre of the Mk3/4 Escort dash that are usually for cold air (has a "switch" to open and close the flow and the vent vanes can be angled left/right as well as up/down.
These vents are actually located above the matrix so blow cool to luke warm air and as such can be used to cool you down a bit.
No joke but if you are in Panther on a cold day you go to the car in a thick coat and drive her in a t-shirt. Thats how hot the heater output is.
If it is raining steam actually rises off the outside of the screen.
On Geoffrey the arrangement is Windscreen demist and a oblong vent in the passenger side of the heater box.
This vent works as the cab heat output and if left open not only clears the passenger side door window but actually circulates the warm air (it is positioned so it claims the same amount of heat as the screen vents from the matrix) around the cab.
The trick we have found is to make the "box" as compact as possible so that the energy the fan puts in is used to push the air through the matrix and out through the vents rather than just rattle around inside the case as so often appears to be the case on production car heaters.
There are no fancy control flaps, basically you want heat turn the fan on (we are using the three speed rotary switch and motor control from the Escort Mk3/4 or Sierra). To hot or heat not required turn the fan off.
Daves Geep we are currently working on is having a similar system fitted and I am sure he will verify the power of the unit after Martin showed him it hovering on the work bench.
We make our own heaters and use more modern matrix such as Mk3/4 Escort and Sierra.
For the fan we use half (the motor half of course) of the centrifugal fan from the Sierra or Mk3/4 Escort.
The heater box is ply which once built to the dimensions we require all seams are sealed by fibreglassing all joints.
Regards air outlets we use the larger size output pipe you usually find on the Mk2 Escort or the same as above donors. Too small a pipe restricts the air flow and so results in poor heat output.
The main area (as it is a legal requirement) that is addressed first is the windscreen demist followed by cab heating.
On Panther the arrangement is windscreen and the Mk2 eye ball vents on both outside edges of the dash (they fit properly in the Sammie dash as it is as wide as the original Escort) Then we have fitted two of the oblong vents from the centre of the Mk3/4 Escort dash that are usually for cold air (has a "switch" to open and close the flow and the vent vanes can be angled left/right as well as up/down.
These vents are actually located above the matrix so blow cool to luke warm air and as such can be used to cool you down a bit.
No joke but if you are in Panther on a cold day you go to the car in a thick coat and drive her in a t-shirt. Thats how hot the heater output is.
If it is raining steam actually rises off the outside of the screen.
On Geoffrey the arrangement is Windscreen demist and a oblong vent in the passenger side of the heater box.
This vent works as the cab heat output and if left open not only clears the passenger side door window but actually circulates the warm air (it is positioned so it claims the same amount of heat as the screen vents from the matrix) around the cab.
The trick we have found is to make the "box" as compact as possible so that the energy the fan puts in is used to push the air through the matrix and out through the vents rather than just rattle around inside the case as so often appears to be the case on production car heaters.
There are no fancy control flaps, basically you want heat turn the fan on (we are using the three speed rotary switch and motor control from the Escort Mk3/4 or Sierra). To hot or heat not required turn the fan off.
Daves Geep we are currently working on is having a similar system fitted and I am sure he will verify the power of the unit after Martin showed him it hovering on the work bench.
Me again boys
I think I may have misled you. Sorry.
Because my GP has no roof, legally it does not need demisters. When I bought the car, the previous owner had fitted a Skoda dash., filled in the vents,and stripped out all the heater components. It passed the MOT like this. All I envisage is a feed and return pipe from the engine, through the bulkhead into a matrix with a fan pushing hot air anywhere it wants to go, around the feet and lower legs. No marrying at all.This is why I wondered if the exercise was worthwhile.
Thank you again
LOGI
I think I may have misled you. Sorry.
Because my GP has no roof, legally it does not need demisters. When I bought the car, the previous owner had fitted a Skoda dash., filled in the vents,and stripped out all the heater components. It passed the MOT like this. All I envisage is a feed and return pipe from the engine, through the bulkhead into a matrix with a fan pushing hot air anywhere it wants to go, around the feet and lower legs. No marrying at all.This is why I wondered if the exercise was worthwhile.
Thank you again
LOGI
Hi Logi
No worries
I figured out that you have your Jago open top so as you say no demister required.
So in your case basically a matrix with a fan behind all mounted in some sort of basic enclosure to direct the heat slightly and protect things from the spinning fan will do the job at warming you lower body.
Yes swizzjnr it looks the part as you can (to some degree) make it to suit the way you want the interior.
No worries
I figured out that you have your Jago open top so as you say no demister required.
So in your case basically a matrix with a fan behind all mounted in some sort of basic enclosure to direct the heat slightly and protect things from the spinning fan will do the job at warming you lower body.
Yes swizzjnr it looks the part as you can (to some degree) make it to suit the way you want the interior.
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