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http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3781314
Chief Constable's Car Caught Speeding at Nearly 100mph
By David Stringer, PA
Road safety campaigners tonight condemned a police chief constable after his car was clocked speeding at almost 100mph on the M1.
Derbyshire Chief Constable David Coleman was being driven by a chauffeur when the vehicle was stopped by traffic officers in Hertfordshire travelling at 97mph.
The staunch anti-speeding campaigner had been travelling back to his county from an engagement in London when the car was pulled over on Wednesday night.
An RAC spokesman said: ?This is a serious speeding offence and one for which someone could expect an outright ban.
?Even though the Chief Constable wasn?t driving, we expect public figures to set a good example.
?They are the ones involved in promoting road safety and to be involved in a speeding offence clearly doesn?t send a positive message to the public.?
Mr Coleman?s force, which uses both fixed and mobile speed cameras, was one of the first in the country to create a Safety Camera Partnership.
It uses police, court and local authority resources to install extra speed cameras in an attempt to reduce road deaths.
The body warns drivers in the county: ?Excessive and inappropriate speed is the biggest cause in all road collisions?.
Earlier today, the team exhibited a stand at Birmingham?s National Exhibition Centre, displaying a motorbike badly damaged in a collision to shock car users.
However, the Chief Constable?s tough stance, which saw 59,000 drivers caught speeding in the region last year, has incensed some motorists, with one man convicted of repeated attacks on local speed cameras.
A Derbyshire Police spokeswoman said: ?We can confirm that a car owned by Derbyshire Police Authority was stopped during Wednesday evening in Hertfordshire for a road traffic offence.
?The car was driven by a member of Derbyshire Police staff and the passenger was the Chief Constable. The matter is now being dealt with by Hertfordshire Police.?
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Another steaming great hypocrite. I feel a letter coming on.
Chief Constable's Car Caught Speeding at Nearly 100mph
By David Stringer, PA
Road safety campaigners tonight condemned a police chief constable after his car was clocked speeding at almost 100mph on the M1.
Derbyshire Chief Constable David Coleman was being driven by a chauffeur when the vehicle was stopped by traffic officers in Hertfordshire travelling at 97mph.
The staunch anti-speeding campaigner had been travelling back to his county from an engagement in London when the car was pulled over on Wednesday night.
An RAC spokesman said: ?This is a serious speeding offence and one for which someone could expect an outright ban.
?Even though the Chief Constable wasn?t driving, we expect public figures to set a good example.
?They are the ones involved in promoting road safety and to be involved in a speeding offence clearly doesn?t send a positive message to the public.?
Mr Coleman?s force, which uses both fixed and mobile speed cameras, was one of the first in the country to create a Safety Camera Partnership.
It uses police, court and local authority resources to install extra speed cameras in an attempt to reduce road deaths.
The body warns drivers in the county: ?Excessive and inappropriate speed is the biggest cause in all road collisions?.
Earlier today, the team exhibited a stand at Birmingham?s National Exhibition Centre, displaying a motorbike badly damaged in a collision to shock car users.
However, the Chief Constable?s tough stance, which saw 59,000 drivers caught speeding in the region last year, has incensed some motorists, with one man convicted of repeated attacks on local speed cameras.
A Derbyshire Police spokeswoman said: ?We can confirm that a car owned by Derbyshire Police Authority was stopped during Wednesday evening in Hertfordshire for a road traffic offence.
?The car was driven by a member of Derbyshire Police staff and the passenger was the Chief Constable. The matter is now being dealt with by Hertfordshire Police.?
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Another steaming great hypocrite. I feel a letter coming on.
This ist the pratnership mit the naff game (which is seriously naff!) und two blokes in the pub as well.... (courtesy of Strassen
ages ago....) as I recall the one who was drinking the booze was seriously affected by the effects of the drink ... based on the dribbles he came out with.....
Surely if the CC ist passenger in the car ... then he is as "guilty as driver" for the serious overspeed ... as he is boss und he should have told him to slow down...
More so in his case as CC of area which enforces rigidly as I understand....
ages ago....) as I recall the one who was drinking the booze was seriously affected by the effects of the drink ... based on the dribbles he came out with..... Surely if the CC ist passenger in the car ... then he is as "guilty as driver" for the serious overspeed ... as he is boss und he should have told him to slow down...
More so in his case as CC of area which enforces rigidly as I understand.... Dwight VanDriver said:
Note Paul that he was not driving and in the back seat.
You must be unique if you have never been let down by someone you put your trust in?
Agree I do not condone the speed.
DVD
You HAVE to be joking. If you were driving a chief constable, do you think you'd go 27mph over the speed limit without permission or instructions? Nope. The CC was in charge, and the CC carries the moral can.
When are these bastards going to start preaching what they practice?
They are all at it anyway - Jack Straw, when he was Home secretary, ACC Steve Thomas, Harriet Harman (Solicitor General) - playing let's pretend that is. Let's pretend we're not going to drive at 95mph or 100mph on a motorway in good conditions. Let's pretend we think 100mph in good conditions is dangerous. Let's pretend "we made an error of judgement".
Grrrrrr.
Personally I find it excellent that the CC and his driver were able to make safe progress at 100mph on the motorway.
I know I do at every available opportunity.
They set a fine example - and show that, in this respect at least, the law is an ass.
Maybe some of the "Speed Kills" campaigners will start to understand that its both possible and safe.
After all - these guys were not found doing 45 in a 30 past a school.
I know I do at every available opportunity.
They set a fine example - and show that, in this respect at least, the law is an ass.
Maybe some of the "Speed Kills" campaigners will start to understand that its both possible and safe.
After all - these guys were not found doing 45 in a 30 past a school.
The M1 through Hertfordshire is an accident blackspot, as I recall. Shocking behaviour.
However, I do find it hard to argue that the CC was at fault here. If you have a chauffeur, you don't then take responsibility for driving yourself. You presumably fall asleep in the back or do some work, otherwise the cost to the taxpayer of employing a chauffeur isn't worth it. So it's pretty likely that the CC didn't know what speed he was doing.
However, I do find it hard to argue that the CC was at fault here. If you have a chauffeur, you don't then take responsibility for driving yourself. You presumably fall asleep in the back or do some work, otherwise the cost to the taxpayer of employing a chauffeur isn't worth it. So it's pretty likely that the CC didn't know what speed he was doing.
safespeed said:
Note Paul that he was not driving and in the back seat.
You must be unique if you have never been let down by someone you put your trust in?
Agree I do not condone the speed.
DVD
You HAVE to be joking. If you were driving a chief constable, do you think you'd go 27mph over the speed limit without permission or instructions? Nope. The CC was in charge, and the CC carries the moral can.
When are these bastards going to start preaching what they practice?
They are all at it anyway - Jack Straw, when he was Home secretary, ACC Steve Thomas, Harriet Harman (Solicitor General) - playing let's pretend that is. Let's pretend we're not going to drive at 95mph or 100mph on a motorway in good conditions. Let's pretend we think 100mph in good conditions is dangerous. Let's pretend "we made an error of judgement".
Grrrrrr.
Keep your cool now Paul.
What we should all do is see this as a superb opportunity to utilise it as yet another piece of incontroversial evidence that travelling at this speed is completely safe; and on that basis write to the esteemed Chief Constable and request an immediate withdrawl of the current enforcement procedures in his county that he has now proven to be unnecessary and inept.
If he fails or refuses to do so, he then has to justify his decision or forever be branded a classic hypocrite.
The media in a case like this should be hounded by people like us to ensure that this character is given no respite until he correctly justifies what his true motifs are behind the current enforcement policies.
As the authorities are fond of saying; zero tolerance; no hiding place, etc.
Don said:
Personally I find it excellent that the CC and his driver were able to make safe progress at 100mph on the motorway.
I know I do at every available opportunity.
They set a fine example - and show that, in this respect at least, the law is an ass.
Maybe some of the "Speed Kills" campaigners will start to understand that its both possible and safe.
After all - these guys were not found doing 45 in a 30 past a school.
Don Liebchen...
Whilst I agree it shows the chauffeur was able und skilled und safe like us....und that it was not in vulnerable area .. but on nice fast m/way....Und ja .. we do if we judge safe to do so.... und lot faster than that if in Germany
BUT...
The point here ist that this guy condones a system within his patch of persecuting others relentlessly for very trivial offences indeed - und others who get copped at such speed receive ban und high insurance (which in his case or his chauffeur's case) ... is paid for collectively by us.
As for the CC not being responsible. He ist bloke in charge und can "feel the speed". I can... if I am passenger or back seat ... as well as behind wheel. So can the Mad Doc... und rest of our large clan. Thus ... if he felt his driver was breaking the law ... he had moral und ethical obligation to remind him to ease off the throttle und practise what he preaches. It ist not good enough for him to say "he was late for meeting" or whatever the excuse. Besides I cannot read in car ... if passenger I like to take in the scenery und "feel Mad Doc's expert driving...
....mit the occasional 
und 
After all... if no action ist taken ... then I would reasonably expect to ton it on same road mit no consequence!
IOLAIRE said:
Dwight VanDriver said:
Note Paul that he was not driving and in the back seat.
You must be unique if you have never been let down by someone you put your trust in?
Agree I do not condone the speed.
DVD
You HAVE to be joking. If you were driving a chief constable, do you think you'd go 27mph over the speed limit without permission or instructions? Nope. The CC was in charge, and the CC carries the moral can.
When are these bastards going to start preaching what they practice?
They are all at it anyway - Jack Straw, when he was Home secretary, ACC Steve Thomas, Harriet Harman (Solicitor General) - playing let's pretend that is. Let's pretend we're not going to drive at 95mph or 100mph on a motorway in good conditions. Let's pretend we think 100mph in good conditions is dangerous. Let's pretend "we made an error of judgement".
Grrrrrr.
Keep your cool now Paul.
What we should all do is see this as a superb opportunity to utilise it as yet another piece of incontroversial evidence that travelling at this speed is completely safe; and on that basis write to the esteemed Chief Constable and request an immediate withdrawl of the current enforcement procedures in his county that he has now proven to be unnecessary and inept.
If he fails or refuses to do so, he then has to justify his decision or forever be branded a classic hypocrite.
The media in a case like this should be hounded by people like us to ensure that this character is given no respite until he correctly justifies what his true motifs are behind the current enforcement policies.
As the authorities are fond of saying; zero tolerance; no hiding place, etc.
I agree Paul - I think it's time to get the pen out
(well ok, the PC...)WildCat said:
The point here ist that this guy condones a system within his patch of persecuting others relentlessly for very trivial offences indeed...
Just like everyone else with regards to speeding! He wasn't in his own back yard so who gives a monkeys about anyone else, "NIMBY!!!!"
gone said:
When are these bastards going to start preaching what they practice?
Grrrrrr.
Thats the sort of post that really endears your cause Safespeed
I don't know about you, pal, but hypocrisy ALWAYS makes me angry. When it's exhibited by someone in power, then all the more so.
How can you accept that it's OK for this CC to do it, and at the same time cause others to be prosecuted for the same behaviour?
At the very least it's a PR disaster. It makes your job harder. Get angry man!
Don said:
Personally I find it excellent that the CC and his driver were able to make safe progress at 100mph on the motorway.
I know I do at every available opportunity.
They set a fine example - and show that, in this respect at least, the law is an ass.
Maybe some of the "Speed Kills" campaigners will start to understand that its both possible and safe.
After all - these guys were not found doing 45 in a 30 past a school.
I agree completely. I'm not in the least bit interested in anybody being prosecuted over this incident. What we should do is recognise that the entire anti-speed philosophy, with particular reference to open road scenarios, is complete nonsense and should be ditched forthwith.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
Thinks: I must learn to spell!
>> Edited by TripleS on Saturday 20th November 15:58
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