Track Driving/Training for young drivers - good or bad idea?
Track Driving/Training for young drivers - good or bad idea?

Poll: Track Driving/Training for young drivers - good or bad idea?

Total Members Polled: 39

Good Idea: 62%
Bad Idea: 38%
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monthefish

Original Poster:

20,467 posts

260 months

Wednesday 26th February 2014
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Theoretical discussion really, think of your average 17yo 18yo, recently passed their driving test:

As a general rule, further training can only really be a positive but what about track driving?

Good idea because:
They can explore the limits of adhesion in the relative safety of a track hopefully with decent run-offs and no trees, and possibly get the urge to drive quickly out of their system meaning they're less likely to drive as quickly on the public roads.

Bad Idea because:
Driving quickly on a track might give them a taste for driving quickly. It may give them misplaced confidence "I'm a racing driver, me". Likely to have increased pressure from peers to drive quickly/be quick.


Of course it will depend on the individual, but you only get one vote!
All vote now!

rallycross

13,750 posts

266 months

Wednesday 26th February 2014
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Done correctly it should be very good, teach them the limits before the find out by crashing
eg my dad used to race and tought me lots of stuff on airfields before I was legal to drive, and then on the road (e.g. in the snow) that meant I already knew how to deal with most things that the car would do.

Flip side would be letting a teenager go on a driving day, making them think they are the next Lewis Hamilton and they go directly to the scene of their own accident!

monthefish

Original Poster:

20,467 posts

260 months

Wednesday 26th February 2014
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^^ my thoughts exactly.
So which way are you voting???
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Prof Prolapse

16,163 posts

219 months

Wednesday 26th February 2014
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Bad idea. You'll learn fk all meaningful on the track in car for the road.

There may be an argument for motorcycles however, where vehicle control is much more difficult.

I'm not sure where this "they'll get a speed lust", come from either. When I was track the first time I was stting myself, let alone having just passed my test.

Conor D

2,124 posts

204 months

Wednesday 26th February 2014
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I had my first proper experience driving on track when I was about 19. I was with an instructor, and pushing well above what I was mentally capable of at the time.

It was unreal. Following that I had the realization of just how intense track driving is and how far the limits are compared to my ability at the time - ultimately realizing that I'd never be able to drive like that on the street.

I would say I backed off a lot on the road following that as it just wasn't worth it.. It Definitely did help my regular driving too now knowing what the limits of a car feel like.

skyrover

12,700 posts

233 months

Wednesday 26th February 2014
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good idea... people need to know the limits of FWD, RWD vehicles and also themselves.

Correct behaviour of an experienced driver in the event of a skid/aquaplane or other loss of control would save laves IMO.

Dalto123

3,205 posts

192 months

Wednesday 26th February 2014
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I think it's good smile

It's not track driving, but I've done grass track autotsting since I was 14ish and really taught me a load of driving skills before I even took my test (plus it's great fun doing handbrake turns!).

I had my first track experience at 18 driving a Lambo/ Cayman at Thruxton, then my fathers 944 at Goodwood. It was a great experience - taught me a lot about RWD and got a bit of that eagerness to go fast out of me biggrin

007 VXR

64,187 posts

216 months

Wednesday 26th February 2014
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IIRC some places now do driver training for 11+
Great idea IMO

10 Pence Short

32,880 posts

246 months

Wednesday 26th February 2014
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This subject comes up quite often. It sounds counter intuitive to a pistonhead, however giving young drivers too much self confidence in advanced car control can be counter productive. Safe road driving doesn't require it.

I'd increase the hours a learner has to train before qualifying before teaching control skills.

spikeyhead

20,421 posts

226 months

Wednesday 26th February 2014
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It's good for an intelligent youth, but for the average testosterone filled spotty oik, it's as dumb an idea as any.

Patrick Bateman

13,175 posts

203 months

Wednesday 26th February 2014
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I can see track driving lead to a taste for it on the road with the average 17 year old who's into cars.

TheFinners

544 posts

156 months

Wednesday 26th February 2014
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As a young driver I think some sort of skid control course where you can learn how to handle a car on the limit/in an emergency situation would be the most useful addition. Actual track driving could lead to cockiness on the road and also be more daunting for less confident drivers.

SVS

3,824 posts

300 months

Wednesday 26th February 2014
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007 VXR said:
IIRC some places now do driver training for 11+
Cool. Where does that? Does anyone know?

007 VXR

64,187 posts

216 months

Wednesday 26th February 2014
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SVS said:
007 VXR said:
IIRC some places now do driver training for 11+
Cool. Where does that? Does anyone know?
1st place I found..
https://www.youngdriver.eu/

monthefish

Original Poster:

20,467 posts

260 months

Thursday 27th February 2014
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SVS said:
Cool. Where does that? Does anyone know?
Think Mercedes Benz world were also doing it for a while.

SVS

3,824 posts

300 months

Thursday 27th February 2014
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Excellent. Thank you both.

cptsideways

13,884 posts

281 months

Thursday 27th February 2014
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Limit handling, brake & avoid is probably the two mains things I'd teach someone new to driving. They soon realise how crap they are!

yzrh

171 posts

151 months

Thursday 27th February 2014
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Good idea just for knowing the limits and how far a car can be pushed.

Slightly offset that they might get too confident when on the roads though.

All to do with maturity I suppose.

George7

1,130 posts

179 months

Thursday 27th February 2014
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I think a more worthwhile experience in regards to improving road driving would be to do a vehicle handling course (not sure what they're called, something including a skidpan) so you how to handle sticky situations such as losing the back end at high speed and general high speed emergency maneuvers.

cptsideways

13,884 posts

281 months

Thursday 27th February 2014
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In my experience frightening the life out of a new driver is a good idea!

Showing them they cannot handle a sticky situation is a bit of a wake up call (very very few can handle such situations) especially if they have recently their test wink