The Worlds Longest Aircraft....The HAV304 Airlander
The Worlds Longest Aircraft....The HAV304 Airlander
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y2blade

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Friday 28th February 2014
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/greenertransport/...

World's largest aircraft unveiled and hailed 'game changer'
The world's longest aircraft, consisting of part airship, part helicopter and part plane, has been unveiled and could be the key to greener more efficient planes in future as developers predict one day there could be as many of the hybrids as there are helicopters today

The world’s largest aircraft which can stay airborne for up to three weeks and will be vital in delivering several tonnes of humanitarian aid as well as transporting heavy freight across the world, has been unveiled.
The 300ft (91m) ship is part plane, airship and helicopter, and there are plans to eventually use it to transport hundreds of tonnes of freight across difficult terrain throughout the world as well as deliver aid to risky areas.

It is environmentally friendly, being part airship filled with inert helium, and will also be used for surveillance and communications. Developers hope to make more of the 'green vehicles' which they hope to make capable of taking off from land, water, desert, ice and fields.

It will eventually lead to the development of the Airlander 50, which would be able to transport 50 tonnes of freight and burn a quarter the amount of fuel of a plane doing the same job. This craft will be even bigger, with plans to make it 390ft long (119m), 196 ft wide (60m) amd 115ft (35ft) high - making it taller than both Big Ben, which reaches 315 ft (96m) and the Statue of Liberty which towers to 305 ft (93m.)
Plans for this hybrid also include fitting two hovercraft type vehicles to the bottom so it is capable of landing on water. There will also be space for 50 passengers on board.
Stephen McGlennan, chief executive, said: "This Government support shows that HAV has a credible way of solving one of the aerospace industry's key challenges - creating a viable low-carbon aircraft which can travel for days and for thousands of miles without refuelling, landing without the need for airports.






"It is a great story of a British company leading the world."


tmk2

708 posts

237 months

Friday 28th February 2014
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Did make me laugh the Airlander 50 will not fit in the hanger, the hangers are effing huge!

Munter

31,331 posts

270 months

Friday 28th February 2014
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Was it 20 years of helium left?

Now if we start using it for these as well....

Hooli

32,278 posts

229 months

Friday 28th February 2014
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Looks like the R101 after it crashed.

Simpo Two

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dr_gn

16,924 posts

213 months

Friday 28th February 2014
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Why will it be "vital" in delivering humanitarian aid? Surely whoever needs the aid, needs it quickly? If that's one of its main selling points then...White elephant.

Next.

Simpo Two

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294 months

Friday 28th February 2014
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Well let me see...

y2blade said:
The 300ft (91m) ship is part plane, airship and helicopter
I suppose 'helicopter' is when you turn the props upward, but which part is the plane?

y2blade said:
as well as deliver aid to risky areas.
I see a very big, very slow target. A myopic monkey with an RPG could hit it.

y2blade said:
It is environmentally friendly, being part airship filled with inert helium
1) How much carbons are burned to make helium?

2) What does 'inert' have to do with it? Oxygen is very 'environmentally friendly' and is highly reactive.


This is a good example of text which looks superficially 'woo' being patent bks. Reduced to the 'green' debate and poor Africans is just admitting it has no real justification.

Edited by Simpo Two on Friday 28th February 22:43

Krikkit

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210 months

Friday 28th February 2014
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Simpo Two said:
y2blade said:
It is environmentally friendly, being part airship filled with inert helium
1) How much carbons are burned to make helium?

2) What does 'inert' have to do with it? Oxygen is very 'environmentally friendly' and is highly reactive.
1) Not much. It's currently produced by distilling it from natural gas.
2) It's important for an aircraft because you don't need to worry about it exploding, burning or corroding anything in the containment systems. That, and no matter how big an airship you build you don't have to worry if it bursts.

Problem is Helium is a precious resource - if you leak it into the atmosphere it simply blows away into space. The universe has a stload of Helium, but the Earth isn't heavy enough to keep hold of it. If we start running out it's a very serious problem for scientific work, MRI scanners etc.

Simpo Two

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Friday 28th February 2014
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Krikkit said:
2) It's important for an aircraft because you don't need to worry about it exploding, burning or corroding anything in the containment systems.
Agreed, but the implication was that its inertness made it 'environmentally friendly', which is one of those 2+2=3 statements.

'This machine gun is environmentally friendly, would you like to buy it?' 'Oh yes please!' In short, add it on to anything you wish to sell. My photography is environmentally friendly because it doesn't use film so is sustainable and doesn't exploit child workers in silver mines. Order now before you realise I'm talking crap smile

hidetheelephants

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222 months

Saturday 1st March 2014
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Simpo Two said:
Well let me see...

y2blade said:
The 300ft (91m) ship is part plane, airship and helicopter
I suppose 'helicopter' is when you turn the props upward, but which part is the plane?
From the shape I guess it's a lifting body. Helium supply for these things is a concern if they are looking to build as many as the blurb portrays; nuclear reactors are the only way of making the stuff from scratch.

ecsrobin

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194 months

Saturday 1st March 2014
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hidetheelephants said:
Simpo Two said:
Well let me see...

y2blade said:
The 300ft (91m) ship is part plane, airship and helicopter
I suppose 'helicopter' is when you turn the props upward, but which part is the plane?
From the shape I guess it's a lifting body. Helium supply for these things is a concern if they are looking to build as many as the blurb portrays; nuclear reactors are the only way of making the stuff from scratch.
They've created a wing with the body from what I grasped from the video.

V41LEY

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Saturday 1st March 2014
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For its size it seems to have hardly any lifting capacity - about the weight of my Chimaera ? Or about 15 adults I read.

Mojocvh

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Saturday 1st March 2014
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Would this be the one[s] the US Army sold [back] for a song?

Hooli

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Saturday 1st March 2014
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V41LEY said:
For its size it seems to have hardly any lifting capacity - about the weight of my Chimaera ? Or about 15 adults I read.
That's always been the problem with airships & it got worse when they changed to helium rather than hydrogen.

V41LEY

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Monday 3rd March 2014
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Hooli said:
V41LEY said:
For its size it seems to have hardly any lifting capacity - about the weight of my Chimaera ? Or about 15 adults I read.
That's always been the problem with airships & it got worse when they changed to helium rather than hydrogen.
It's dead in the water then surely ? I can't see the business case for it whilst we've still got fossil fuels.

Keep it stiff

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202 months

Tuesday 4th March 2014
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Never mind the Airlander I'm just in awe of the Cardington hangers!

ChemicalChaos

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Thursday 6th March 2014
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Munter said:
Was it 20 years of helium left?

Now if we start using it for these as well....
Wait until we start getting Nuclear Fusion generation online, then there'll be loads of it

mybrainhurts

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Thursday 6th March 2014
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Looks like a Blimp with a double hernia...

ChemicalChaos

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Thursday 6th March 2014
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mybrainhurts said:
Looks like a Blimp with a double hernia...
or a ginormous pair of flying norks...

mybrainhurts

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Thursday 6th March 2014
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He said norks...