RE: Infiniti Q50 Eau Rouge: Geneva 2014
RE: Infiniti Q50 Eau Rouge: Geneva 2014
Tuesday 4th March 2014

Infiniti Q50 Eau Rouge: Geneva 2014

Infiniti raids Nissan parts bin, nicks 568hp GT-R engine to liven up Q50 Eau Rouge



Infiniti has finally confirmed the engine for its Q50 Eau Rouge will, after all, be a version of the VR38DETT 3.8-litre twin-turbo V6 from the Nissan GT-R. We'd wondered whether or not Infiniti would be allowed to get its hands on this prized signature of the GT-R and, if not, if it might instead use its own V8. But, no, the GT-R has donated its engine, retuned to give 568hp and 442lb ft of torque. Some way short of the 600lb ft Infiniti boss Johan de Nysschen said it should have but the trade off is a horsepower figure far in excess of the 500hp he was proposing. We'll live with that.

Optimising the VR38DETT for Infiniti has raised power and dropped torque a little from the 550hp and 463lb ft of the MY14 GT-R and a spokesman told us the engine had been reengineered for its new application for a less manic feel. Further evidence of this comes from the use of the Q50's standard seven-speed automatic transmission, rather than the snappy dual-clutch of the GT-R. It will also be four-wheel drive though.

If performance delivery is, relatively, a little softer than the GT-R performance will still be enough to make the M3 pause for thought. Infiniti predicts 0-62 in less than four seconds and a top speed 'close to 180mph', giving AMG something to aim for as it perfects the forthcoming 4.0-litre twin-turbo C63 too.

Officially still just a concept at this stage and not confirmed for production, you'd have to expect de Nysschen signs it off given that sponsorship of Red Bull F1 is currently not reflected in the road car line up. A halo model like the Eau Rouge would make perfect sense in that regard, even if the base car and its 'drive by wire' steering left a little to be desired dynamically compared with rivals from M and AMG. Certainly its sub-4.0-litre capacity is on the money for selling the hot Q50 in markets where engines bigger than this are heavily taxed, most likely explaining why it's not opted for a V8.

With this and the Lexus RC F the Germans will soon be facing a two-pronged Japanese attack on their performance saloon and coupe heartland; on paper both have the firepower to trouble them. If they can be made to handle too we'll have a proper fight on our hands.

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MrTappets

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881 posts

220 months

Tuesday 4th March 2014
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Odd that they've dropped torque for the more relaxed version. Just wondering how it'll do on the NVH as well. And for that matter, would *insert random GTR tuner* be able to slap one of their kits on this?

famfarrow

806 posts

183 months

Tuesday 4th March 2014
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Excellent! I look forward to the depreciation on this!

British Beef

2,572 posts

194 months

Tuesday 4th March 2014
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She is very nice, a slightly shorter dress and more clevage would be nice though!

MycroftWard

5,987 posts

242 months

Tuesday 4th March 2014
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British Beef said:
She is very nice, a slightly shorter dress and more clevage would be nice though!
Agreed. For me the arms are a bit on the thin side too.

SaqibCTR

731 posts

163 months

Tuesday 4th March 2014
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I really like this. I hope it puts up a good fight against M/RS/AMG.

Ex Boy Racer

1,167 posts

221 months

Tuesday 4th March 2014
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MycroftWard said:
British Beef said:
She is very nice, a slightly shorter dress and more clevage would be nice though!
Agreed. For me the arms are a bit on the thin side too.
Have to applaud the reduction of talk though

British Beef

2,572 posts

194 months

Tuesday 4th March 2014
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The Crack Fox said:
Just 6 posts, 3 about the promo girl, it doesn't exactly bode well for the Q50 does it?
An infiniti saloon with an autobox or a bit of crumpet in tight dress......

If they offered it with a manual box and in estate (the car not the lady), then that would be something to talk about.

Besides doesnt that engine need servicing every 5000 miles or so???

vz-r_dave

3,469 posts

247 months

Tuesday 4th March 2014
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British Beef said:
The Crack Fox said:
Just 6 posts, 3 about the promo girl, it doesn't exactly bode well for the Q50 does it?
An infiniti saloon with an autobox or a bit of crumpet in tight dress......

If they offered it with a manual box and in estate (the car not the lady), then that would be something to talk about.

Besides doesnt that engine need servicing every 5000 miles or so???
How often does an M5 and RS6 need servicing?

soad

34,661 posts

205 months

Tuesday 4th March 2014
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British Beef said:
She is very nice, a slightly shorter dress and more clevage would be nice though!
Looks too tall for my liking. frown

dvs_dave

9,040 posts

254 months

Tuesday 4th March 2014
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About time Infinity had a proper beast to take the fight to the Germans. This will have the tuner crowd frothing with excitement! In their primary market (USA) they have a nice, but ultimately very middle-of-the pack range.

SaqibCTR

731 posts

163 months

Tuesday 4th March 2014
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dvs_dave said:
About time Infinity had a proper beast to take the fight to the Germans. This will have the tuner crowd frothing with excitement! In their primary market (USA) they have a nice, but ultimately very middle-of-the pack range.
Blah blah, nobody cares. PH is only interested in the chick laugh

mr2j

516 posts

187 months

Tuesday 4th March 2014
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PistonHeads
CRUMPET MATTERS

-Z-

8,316 posts

235 months

Tuesday 4th March 2014
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vz-r_dave said:
How often does an M5 and RS6 need servicing?
M5 every 14000 miles or 2yrs whichever first smile

But I would expect the q50 to need servicing every 10k like current GTRs.

-Z-

8,316 posts

235 months

Tuesday 4th March 2014
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vz-r_dave said:
How often does an M5 and RS6 need servicing?
M5 every 14000 miles or 2yrs whichever first smile

But I would expect the q50 to need servicing every 10k like current GTRs.

bobberz

1,832 posts

228 months

Tuesday 4th March 2014
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Strangely enough, I quite like this, considering I'm usually more of a fan of German offerings with subtle styling. I suppose maybe that's because the latest German offerings aren't so subtle anymore. I'm a big Mercedes fan, but I really can't get excited about their latest, techno-fetish S-klasse, et. al. Coming from the point of view of a service technician, the ever increasing complexity and sheer number of electronics makes me think the current Mercs, etc. will be a nightmare to work on in a couple years when things start going wrong. Something tells me you won't still see so many current Mercs in 20-30 years like you do 190Es and 300Ds. It's not uncommon to see 190Es nearing a million miles on the odometer.

BMW's styling department lost me after the, IMO, perfect, e39 M5, though the M235i and 4-er have given me some hope.

ATM, the only modern, German saloons I'd actually want to own are Audis, namely the S6 and RS7. Even Audis aren't that subtle, anymore.

I guess that's why I don't find the Q50 Eau Rouge so shocking. Apart from some overly fussy details, the overall profile is quite nice. I prefer graceful, feminine curves as opposed to angular, sci-fi-inspired cars. The fact it's an auto doesn't really bother me; it's not meant to be a sports car.

One thing that does puzzle me: the article keeps making reference to C63s and M3s. Isn't this car more a rival to the M5 and E63? ~560 bhp is spot-on where the M5 is concerned.

dukebox9reg

1,721 posts

177 months

Wednesday 5th March 2014
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In that side shot it just looks like what a current Mazda 6 would look like in MPS format.

Clivey

5,683 posts

233 months

Sunday 9th March 2014
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It would be unwise to bet against this car giving the Germans bloody noses...GTR vs 911 anyone?

blearyeyedboy

6,811 posts

208 months

Sunday 9th March 2014
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Future Q Car.

Wait for it to depreciate, buy a metallic grey/beige one and stick Peppa Pig sun blinds in the back windows. smile

Bladedancer

1,458 posts

225 months

Thursday 3rd July 2014
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SaqibCTR said:
I really like this. I hope it puts up a good fight against M/RS/AMG.
If this will handle in a way similar to a GTR it will not put up a good fight but demolish the above.

gumsie

680 posts

238 months

Friday 22nd August 2014
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bobberz said:
Strangely enough, I quite like this, considering I'm usually more of a fan of German offerings with subtle styling. I suppose maybe that's because the latest German offerings aren't so subtle anymore. I'm a big Mercedes fan, but I really can't get excited about their latest, techno-fetish S-klasse, et. al. Coming from the point of view of a service technician, the ever increasing complexity and sheer number of electronics makes me think the current Mercs, etc. will be a nightmare to work on in a couple years when things start going wrong. Something tells me you won't still see so many current Mercs in 20-30 years like you do 190Es and 300Ds. It's not uncommon to see 190Es nearing a million miles on the odometer.

BMW's styling department lost me after the, IMO, perfect, e39 M5, though the M235i and 4-er have given me some hope.

ATM, the only modern, German saloons I'd actually want to own are Audis, namely the S6 and RS7. Even Audis aren't that subtle, anymore.

I guess that's why I don't find the Q50 Eau Rouge so shocking. Apart from some overly fussy details, the overall profile is quite nice. I prefer graceful, feminine curves as opposed to angular, sci-fi-inspired cars. The fact it's an auto doesn't really bother me; it's not meant to be a sports car.

One thing that does puzzle me: the article keeps making reference to C63s and M3s. Isn't this car more a rival to the M5 and E63? ~560 bhp is spot-on where the M5 is concerned.
I have a penchant for the german metal too. Not BMW tho, I have at present the first one I’ve ever driven, (14 plate 320D), and boy is it low rent and horrible on the inside.
Anyway back on topic, I love Infiniti and would easily choose one over a Lexus especially this one. Hell I think I’d choose the QX70 over an ML, GL, X5, Q7 etc etc, (I might take the Porsche tho).