Dug out my old vinyl
Discussion
Having just moved I found my small collection of LPs and singles last played in the early 90s so last night I looked through the albums and played the tracks I remembered by finding them on Spotify.
How much better would they be played via a deck and still using my 1985 Nad amp and AR speakers?
I'm thinking of getting a deck but as everything is slide in and out these days there would be no room in my AV corner but sitting on a cabinet about 3m from the amp would be good for ease of access.
Now my old original Dual deck, also bought in 1985, is no longer with us but I seem to remember that it had a very thin earth wire that went to the back of the Nad. Do all modern turntables have these or is it a necessary for the old amp?
Getting a long phono connection is no problem but I remember the earth wire being pretty short.
Cheers.
How much better would they be played via a deck and still using my 1985 Nad amp and AR speakers?
I'm thinking of getting a deck but as everything is slide in and out these days there would be no room in my AV corner but sitting on a cabinet about 3m from the amp would be good for ease of access.
Now my old original Dual deck, also bought in 1985, is no longer with us but I seem to remember that it had a very thin earth wire that went to the back of the Nad. Do all modern turntables have these or is it a necessary for the old amp?
Getting a long phono connection is no problem but I remember the earth wire being pretty short.
Cheers.
I don't have an earth wire from my Rega deck. I think your bigger issue will be finding a turntable with a 3m+ tonearm cable. You might be able to buy a phono amp, have it sat next to the turntable, then run whatever cable you like from phono amp to line in on your amp.
As for whether the records will sound better, you'll have to suck it and see. I enjoy the event more and the sound has it's own signature, but I'll sometimes plump for SACD on some recordings.
As for whether the records will sound better, you'll have to suck it and see. I enjoy the event more and the sound has it's own signature, but I'll sometimes plump for SACD on some recordings.
You will find decks that have separate tonearm earths and some without. Rega usually connect this earth to one of the phono screens. Its not an issue.
As stated above the 3m cable will be an issue because that will present a lot of extra capacitive loading. So the best solution is to have a separate phono preamp by the deck and run the 3m interconnect at line level.
As stated above the 3m cable will be an issue because that will present a lot of extra capacitive loading. So the best solution is to have a separate phono preamp by the deck and run the 3m interconnect at line level.
I went through something similar last year - bought a Project turntable, then realised my Linn Classik didnt have a phono input so then had to buy a phone-amp. This is about the size of four stacked iphones & takes output from turntable including earth, then I run a pair of phono leads to the Classik. Initially I used some 5m lengths as turntable was a distance away from amp, but since then I've re-arranged furniture and use a shorter 1m? length of phono interconnect. There's no discernable difference in sound with either setup.
My Nad has specific phono inputs for a turntable and an earth connection so I'm presuming I don't need a pre-amp. Well I didn't when I had the Dual deck. So surely I will just need a long earth lead?
There is space in the AV rack under the plasma for a deck but it will be faff to get the dust lid on and off as well as placing records on it.
There is space in the AV rack under the plasma for a deck but it will be faff to get the dust lid on and off as well as placing records on it.
At the cheaper end of the spectrum you'll be looking at Moving Magnet cartridges I suspect.
I'd be a bit unhappy about using a 3m phono lead - as LeTVR said it may well give rise to 'issues' - noise, hum, and poor sound quality caused by cable capacitance are the ones that spring to mind. You might get away with it for a MM cartridge, but it's just asking for trouble with a MC, where typical outputs are less than 0.5mV. MM outputs are ten times that.
I'd be a bit unhappy about using a 3m phono lead - as LeTVR said it may well give rise to 'issues' - noise, hum, and poor sound quality caused by cable capacitance are the ones that spring to mind. You might get away with it for a MM cartridge, but it's just asking for trouble with a MC, where typical outputs are less than 0.5mV. MM outputs are ten times that.
telecat said:
Moving Magnets tend to be cheaper and produce a greater current.. Moving coils are usually more sensitive but output even less signal. That Seems to be down to the interference of the Magnets in the cartridge. MM use more powerful ones.
Not quite. Moving coils usually produce more electrical power than moving magnets. MCs are inherently low impedance so they generate significantly higher current albeit at a much lower voltage than moving magnets. This doesn't really have a lot to do with the magnets used, it's more a function of the number of turns used on the coils. croyde said:
How much better would they be played via a deck and still using my 1985 Nad amp and AR speakers?
Now my old original Dual deck, also bought in 1985, is no longer with us
Ahhh.... Nad 3020, AR18s and the Dual CS505. The default starting point for us all in the 80s. Then you spend 1000s upgrading it over the years, before realising the £10K system you now have doesn't sound as good as your original set up!Now my old original Dual deck, also bought in 1985, is no longer with us
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Ahhh.... Nad 3020, AR18s and the Dual CS505. The default starting point for us all in the 80s. Then you spend 1000s upgrading it over the years, before realising the £10K system you now have doesn't sound as good as your original set up!
Speak for yourself!I started with an Ariston RD80/Nytech252/Celestion SL6
My current set up isn't really that different save I swapped the Ariston for an LP12.
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