1967 TVR Mk4 1800S for sale in Houston, TX
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Other-Makes-1800S-TVR-Mk4-...
Seems nice...interesting description and a YouTube of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7KMguMq5Fc
John
Seems nice...interesting description and a YouTube of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7KMguMq5Fc
John
Edited by jastx on Thursday 6th March 22:27
Kickstart said:
I would guess it would make $25k - $30k and it will be interesting to see - it looks like it needs a bit of work to get it up to current racing spec
OK for over there and Roadsports here but no good for FIA racing as its 67 and a MK 4 - I don't believe they were ever homologated in period G, although I'm prepared for someone to put me right. Fiscracer said:
Kickstart said:
I would guess it would make $25k - $30k and it will be interesting to see - it looks like it needs a bit of work to get it up to current racing spec
OK for over there and Roadsports here but no good for FIA racing as its 67 and a MK 4 - I don't believe they were ever homologated in period G, although I'm prepared for someone to put me right. Regards,
D.
Grantura SWE said:
There are differences between a Mk III 1800S and a Mk IV but as far as I know it should not really be any problem to convert a Mk IV to Mk III spec. Same goes for Vixen S1 which is similar to Mk IV but with Ford engine (except some of the really early ones that had MGB engine).
Maybe, but it needs an identity and if that is post 65 you wont be FIA racing in it. Go and look at the price differential between a post 65 MGB racer and a pre 66 FIA car. The same is true with TVRs. 70s Modsports, sorry I mean Roadsports, does not open the door to the blue riband events like the Silverstone Classic, L'Age D'Or, Spa 6 Hours etc. It is changing with increased interest in for example group 1 touring cars but generally pre 66 is where the action is.
You are absolutely right. But FIA does not seem to be to be picky nowadays as replicas are eligible to get HTP-papers (for instance at least one AC Cobra Daytona). So a 1967 1800S modified to 1965 spec must be possible to race.
How about the car in this thread:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
How about the car in this thread:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Sanctioned continuation cars, such as a Daytona, T70, yes.
The FIA have made a dog's breakfast of the whole thing, allowing some replicas to get papers, particularly as they now want all HTPs to be re-issued in order to raise revenue.
Even if you did get papers as a clone, you would then have to get invited to events. I would not take the risk.
The FIA have made a dog's breakfast of the whole thing, allowing some replicas to get papers, particularly as they now want all HTPs to be re-issued in order to raise revenue.
Even if you did get papers as a clone, you would then have to get invited to events. I would not take the risk.
Lots of strange decisions about historic vehicles and parts.Fiscracer said:
Sanctioned continuation cars, such as a Daytona, T70, yes.
The FIA have made a dog's breakfast of the whole thing, allowing some replicas to get papers, particularly as they now want all HTPs to be re-issued in order to raise revenue.
Even if you did get papers as a clone, you would then have to get invited to events. I would not take the risk.
this is happenning more and more.The FIA have made a dog's breakfast of the whole thing, allowing some replicas to get papers, particularly as they now want all HTPs to be re-issued in order to raise revenue.
Even if you did get papers as a clone, you would then have to get invited to events. I would not take the risk.
We've got an original Granny. APH223B and to be honest we thought we would get into LMC, but no chance, 3 granturas are in and ours isnt one of them.
we also have to Re-HTP ours this year.
what does it cost to build a new one from scratch and paper it up? and whats the opinion on values of ones such as ours as a result?
Ours won't be as competitive as the new cars all benefit from newer running gear and chassis etc. Seems bonkers. Although Ian B did well at Goodwood in it in 2009 by winning so I don't suppose it can be that slow!
Guess I'm slowly turning this away from the original subject but I'll ask anyway. What's it like in the UK, do you need HTP for national historic events and club races?
In Sweden you need HTP for all events. Even if it is a "simple" club race and not a national or international event. To me an unnecessary cost for those who never plans to go abroad to any of the big races like Le Mans or Oldtimer GP.
EDIT: corrected spelling
In Sweden you need HTP for all events. Even if it is a "simple" club race and not a national or international event. To me an unnecessary cost for those who never plans to go abroad to any of the big races like Le Mans or Oldtimer GP.
EDIT: corrected spelling
Obiwonkeyblokey said:
this is happenning more and more.
We've got an original Granny. APH223B and to be honest we thought we would get into LMC, but no chance, 3 granturas are in and ours isnt one of them.
we also have to Re-HTP ours this year.
what does it cost to build a new one from scratch and paper it up? and whats the opinion on values of ones such as ours as a result?
Ours won't be as competitive as the new cars all benefit from newer running gear and chassis etc. Seems bonkers. Although Ian B did well at Goodwood in it in 2009 by winning so I don't suppose it can be that slow!
I would imagine going to Nigel Reuben and getting a max power engine from a well known builder etc means that an all new Grantura would come in about £60k with the VAT. I hasten to point out that is not what we have done, as we are on the original chassis and body. In addition you would need a donor car for the identity, so really you would be looking at £70k ?We've got an original Granny. APH223B and to be honest we thought we would get into LMC, but no chance, 3 granturas are in and ours isnt one of them.
we also have to Re-HTP ours this year.
what does it cost to build a new one from scratch and paper it up? and whats the opinion on values of ones such as ours as a result?
Ours won't be as competitive as the new cars all benefit from newer running gear and chassis etc. Seems bonkers. Although Ian B did well at Goodwood in it in 2009 by winning so I don't suppose it can be that slow!
In terms of what yours might be worth, it has got real period history and won at Goodwood, so I would have thought £50k plus, but I tend to think values of Grannies are always going to be limited as they normally get stuck in the same class as Marcos 1800s and Lotus Elans which are quicker. But I should note I am not a car dealer and those more knowledgeable than me are probably far better placed to advise. I know Willie Green sold a very nicely prepared car a few months back and I think this was up at about £50k but I am not aware of any others making more than £50k. I would assume the auction at Goodwood would be the best place to extract max value from it.
Owen
I think Nigel is about right for build cost. Mine was already 'fully race prepared' by David Gerald with HTP when I got it and it only cost another £22k and about 400 hours to then do it properly........... I think GT6Dave had a similar experience with his car.
You are being a bit modest about your car; its provenance is as good as any of them - Gaston in period, podium at Spa 6 Hours with Roy before it became a V8 fest and as you say a win in the Fordwater Trophy with Ian at Goodwood. Nevertheless it did not sell for what now looks like a steal at auction a few years ago.
I'm not sure that the new replicas are having any material effect on prices. However I suspect a number of owners who have paid top dollar for a 'correct' donor vehicle will be a bit miffed if you can spend 50p on a later model and get papers pretending it is correct. No doubt a few years later it will then be for sale as the real thing. The FIA has opened the door to all sorts of chicanery.
Re the requirement for new HTPs in 2015, I think the FIA may get an unpleasant surprise. At a cost of £1000 a time including the inspection, I think a lot of owners will think very hard before shelling out for renewal and race organisers may change to adherance to appendix K once they see empty grids appearing if they insist on HTPs. They will still be required for French events of course but as you have found out with LMC, the French have one set of rules for themselves and another for everyone else. With four FIA cars we wont do anything for at least 12 months and are looking into getting HTPs done in Europe.
I think Nigel is about right for build cost. Mine was already 'fully race prepared' by David Gerald with HTP when I got it and it only cost another £22k and about 400 hours to then do it properly........... I think GT6Dave had a similar experience with his car.
You are being a bit modest about your car; its provenance is as good as any of them - Gaston in period, podium at Spa 6 Hours with Roy before it became a V8 fest and as you say a win in the Fordwater Trophy with Ian at Goodwood. Nevertheless it did not sell for what now looks like a steal at auction a few years ago.
I'm not sure that the new replicas are having any material effect on prices. However I suspect a number of owners who have paid top dollar for a 'correct' donor vehicle will be a bit miffed if you can spend 50p on a later model and get papers pretending it is correct. No doubt a few years later it will then be for sale as the real thing. The FIA has opened the door to all sorts of chicanery.
Re the requirement for new HTPs in 2015, I think the FIA may get an unpleasant surprise. At a cost of £1000 a time including the inspection, I think a lot of owners will think very hard before shelling out for renewal and race organisers may change to adherance to appendix K once they see empty grids appearing if they insist on HTPs. They will still be required for French events of course but as you have found out with LMC, the French have one set of rules for themselves and another for everyone else. With four FIA cars we wont do anything for at least 12 months and are looking into getting HTPs done in Europe.
Thanks Richard
On closer inspection, ours isnt due until 2018 so thats a little victory. I was having lunch with Ian Bankhurst yesterday and we were discussing the old V new debate.
Its something that will roll on and on and I think it depends on your objectives.
Personally I was attracted to the car because of its heritage ( Its was 50 years old 3 weeks ago) and a lot of the charm of the car itself comes from that. Yes, others may be at an advantage being newer and benefitting from more modern construction techniques, however Ian has demonstrated that fundamentally the car is still quick and competitive, so for me Im keen to keep it as it is ( bonded to original chassis) rather than redo the whole car.
On closer inspection, ours isnt due until 2018 so thats a little victory. I was having lunch with Ian Bankhurst yesterday and we were discussing the old V new debate.
Its something that will roll on and on and I think it depends on your objectives.
Personally I was attracted to the car because of its heritage ( Its was 50 years old 3 weeks ago) and a lot of the charm of the car itself comes from that. Yes, others may be at an advantage being newer and benefitting from more modern construction techniques, however Ian has demonstrated that fundamentally the car is still quick and competitive, so for me Im keen to keep it as it is ( bonded to original chassis) rather than redo the whole car.
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