Leaky Defender
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vpr

Original Poster:

3,915 posts

262 months

Friday 7th March 2014
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Now I know you're all going to say it's standard but I wanna know why

Drivers foot well above the pedals....water pours in.

So when I talk to me dealer they say it's gotta go to their bodyshop to find out why and where.

FFS they all leaka nd I'm sure they must know where from without taking the car off me and taking it to a bodyshop

Anyone got a cure? It's a 2013

hidetheelephants

34,276 posts

217 months

Friday 7th March 2014
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Have a look at the rubbery seal thing that sticks to the bulkhead and is supposed to seal against the rear edge of the bonnet; does it have wrinkles, does it actually touch the bonnet, or is it coming away from the bulkhead?

camel_landy

5,418 posts

207 months

Friday 7th March 2014
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There is an entire workshop manual dedicated to this very subject... Do a quick google and you should find a .PDF version.

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MoggieMinor

467 posts

169 months

Saturday 8th March 2014
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Land Rover really let themselves with this problem. It might be acceptable for an old Series 3 to leak a bit of water in but not a 2013 Defender.

anonymous-user

78 months

Saturday 8th March 2014
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A 2013 Defender is essentially a Series III without the "old" bit, especially in terms of bodywork.
Would it disappoint you to know I'm in the process of fitting SIII doors to my MY2000 Defender, without any modification required?

JamieG

911 posts

249 months

Saturday 8th March 2014
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My 2009 SX has leaked since iv'e owned it (2yrs and bought from a main dealer) onto the passenger footwell. Told 'they all do that' and found the heavy duty rubber mat set a godsend. Only problem now is I've had to put a new screen in and it now leaks from the driver's side as well! Have accepted it's part of the car's 'charm'...

Edited by JamieG on Saturday 8th March 12:26

vpr

Original Poster:

3,915 posts

262 months

Saturday 8th March 2014
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Thanks Chaps

Heavy rubber mats fitted but carpet gets soaked underneath then the car mists up on the inside..

Rubbish really

anonymous-user

78 months

Saturday 8th March 2014
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What is this "carpet" you speak of? confused

camel_landy

5,418 posts

207 months

Saturday 8th March 2014
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vpr said:
Rubbish really
No, what's 'Rubbish' is the way people buy, what is essentially an agricultural transit van and expect it to be something it isn't.

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paintman

7,852 posts

214 months

Saturday 8th March 2014
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If you are expecting them to fix it as a free warranty issue then I suggest you let them get on with it.

SpeedMattersNot

4,506 posts

220 months

Saturday 8th March 2014
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Put your wellies on and drill some holes in the floor. Job done.

If that's not suitable, go and buy a car, not a tractors handbag.

Anyone who has ever tried to fit a dog guard in a Defender knows the issue. Every single one is a different size...it's quite impressive.

anonymous-user

78 months

Sunday 9th March 2014
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camel_landy said:
vpr said:
Rubbish really
No, what's 'Rubbish' is the way people buy, what is essentially an agricultural transit van and expect it to be something it isn't.

M
Nail, hit, squarely on head.

vpr

Original Poster:

3,915 posts

262 months

Sunday 9th March 2014
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You boys are just so very tough.

anonymous-user

78 months

Sunday 9th March 2014
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vpr said:
You boys are just so very tough.
...or simply realistic and slightly more enlightened?

camel_landy

5,418 posts

207 months

Sunday 9th March 2014
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^^^ Wot he said.

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The Wookie

14,189 posts

252 months

Monday 10th March 2014
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Fact is that they all bloody leak, the only difference between them is whether it ends up on your foot/arm/head or not while you're driving.

It has to be said though, it does seem like the quality has taken a dive in recent years. A mate has a 3 year old 2.4 TDCi and he's had endless problems with it, I think it's had a new gearbox and sounds like it's going to be needing a new rear diff soon. The thing get's plodded around the village where he lives, no heavy off road, and occasionally gets used to tow a Caterham on an open trailer.

Forums seem to suggest that his experiences aren't unique.

100SRV

2,329 posts

266 months

Monday 10th March 2014
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Poor quality control and a focus on the trinket-laden chelsea tractors has always been the bane of the working Land Rover.

There is no excuse for leaks.

Defender is a neglected product save for having the occasional tickle to ensure they can meet emissions legislation and continue to sell the cinderella of their 4x4 portfolio.

anonymous-user

78 months

Monday 10th March 2014
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100SRV said:
There is no excuse for leaks.
No but there is a reason. One of Defender's strengths is it's hand-assembled and can therefore be more easily repaired or refurbished at a later date.
You just can't do that with hermetically sealed air tight boxes.

100SRV

2,329 posts

266 months

Monday 10th March 2014
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It doesn't have to be hermetically sealed or air tight, just designed with some attention to detail to retain tolerances suitable for manual assembly whilst reducing significantly the risk/liklihood of water ingress.

If water is seeping between the pedal box and the bulkhead would a better solution be for the pedal box to be mounted on a 20mm upstand - a minimised seep path?

A case in point is a friend's TD5 90 - poorly fitted bulkhead vent seals result in water ingress which trickles down the electrical harness, takes residence in a splice header and a few years later renders a vehicle off-the-road because the headlights won't work. FFS why? The only sort of "feature" this is is bad design compounded by bad production engineering.

Great product, lacks attention to detail.

vpr

Original Poster:

3,915 posts

262 months

Monday 10th March 2014
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Precisely....Damp car inside freezes the inside of the glass too and when left for periods renders any paperwork left inside the car damp and therefore ruined.

I'm use to old cars and old designs but not really acceptable today.