A340 nose wheel steering failure
A340 nose wheel steering failure
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fatboy b

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9,665 posts

245 months

Sunday 9th March 2014
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Could someone in the know explain what happened here?

We landed at LHR on friday eve on a Thai 340-600. The roll-our carried on for an unusual amount if time, passing a few exits that could have been taken. I know pilots are encouraged to vacate asap due to other traffic, so I knew things weren't quite right.

Anyway, we eventually and lethargically exited 27R, and stopped as soon as clear. I had the nose camera on, and a few airport cars turned up at the front of the plane with a couple of firetrucks with lots of flashing lights.

Captain then came on an explained that they had lost the ability to steer the plane, and they were awaiting a tug.

So, given that he appeared to have a problem on roll-out, how did he steer the plane off, and what could have failed?

Simpo Two

92,670 posts

294 months

Sunday 9th March 2014
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fatboy b said:
So, given that he appeared to have a problem on roll-out, how did he steer the plane off...
More throttle on one side or brakes on the other?

Brigand

2,547 posts

198 months

Sunday 9th March 2014
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The pilot can use the rudder to steer with enough airflow over it, but once you drop below a certain speed he'll have to use the wheel.

fatboy b

Original Poster:

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245 months

Sunday 9th March 2014
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We were too slow imo, and engines idle.

Simpo Two

92,670 posts

294 months

Sunday 9th March 2014
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Perhaps he could still operate the nosewheel but there was no power assisatnce - ie like a car?

surveyor

18,689 posts

213 months

Sunday 9th March 2014
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Brakes and power.....

anonymous-user

83 months

Sunday 9th March 2014
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Brigand said:
The pilot can use the rudder to steer with enough airflow over it, but once you drop below a certain speed he'll have to use the wheel.
This.

Depending on type it's around 60 kts when you transit from rudder via pedals to nose wheel steering via the tiller

fatboy b

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245 months

Sunday 9th March 2014
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el stovey said:
Brigand said:
The pilot can use the rudder to steer with enough airflow over it, but once you drop below a certain speed he'll have to use the wheel.
This.

Depending on type it's around 60 kts when you transit from rudder via pedals to nose wheel steering via the tiller
Cheers, didn't know it was that low a speed.

Simpo Two

92,670 posts

294 months

Sunday 9th March 2014
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So he had enough speed to steer using the rudder? Problem solved.

R1nur

1,113 posts

279 months

Monday 10th March 2014
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Differential braking.

Simpo Two

92,670 posts

294 months

Monday 10th March 2014
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Sooo, we have either throttles, brakes or rudder - anyone got a three-sided coin?

Steve_D

13,802 posts

287 months

Monday 10th March 2014
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Simpo Two said:
Sooo, we have either throttles, brakes or rudder - anyone got a three-sided coin?
I suspect it would have been a combination of all three.

Steve

Boatbuoy

1,975 posts

191 months

Monday 10th March 2014
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Simpo Two said:
Sooo, we have either throttles, brakes or rudder - anyone got a three-sided coin?
Round coins generally have 3 sides.

Simpo Two

92,670 posts

294 months

Monday 10th March 2014
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Boatbuoy said:
Round coins generally have 3 sides.
Good answer - though the results would be heavily skewed to the flat ones smile What it required was an extra dimension.

R1nur

1,113 posts

279 months

Tuesday 11th March 2014
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fatboy b said:
The roll-our carried on for an unusual amount if time, passing a few exits that could have been taken.
That said - the high speed exits were probably all passed.



That means the exit was probably a 90 degree turn from low speed. The rudder would not have enough airflow over it to make any difference to the direction of travel. Normally a rudder input will also deflect the nose wheel steering. We do not know if the nose wheel would have reacted to the rudder, but even if it did we can discount it making any difference because it only commands up to 6 degrees.

So from low speed the only way to vacate the runway which they would have been under HUGE self imposed pressure to do, would have been to use power (probably asymmetric) and differential braking. The nose wheel will drag around really easily to be honest. At least it did in the A320 family and the B757 and B767.

For those with a technical interest ...



Edited by R1nur on Tuesday 11th March 09:43