What type of scam is this?
What type of scam is this?
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richb77

Original Poster:

889 posts

190 months

Monday 24th March 2014
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Ok chaps. I am getting a little confused with this and want to make sure i am safe before handing over any cash.

I live in Germany and am looking for a car (used) here.

Over this weekend i contacted four adverts from Mobile.de and autoscout24.de

All where average(ish) price and average(ish) miles. None where "too good to be true" offers.

Three where private (An Audi Allroad, BMW 320d tourer and a passat B6). ALL replied in poor German and then broken English "I am now back(!?) in the UK but send me the asking price and i will ship it too you.

Well you can imagine my reply to that!

The last is the one i am confused over.

Another Passat. But this one is a little cheaper. Its with a dealer in Germany who on mobile.de has about 15 cars advertised. All about €1000 under priced (on a €10k car and Italian imports are common here and they are cheaper).

The thing is none of his phone number are real. The website was registered earlier this month and each car has been photographed in different locations (Appear to be ripped from the web).

Obviously i am leaving well alone but i cant work out WHY do this? Tax scam???

moebiusuk

345 posts

187 months

Monday 24th March 2014
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Maybe they're not his/her photos. Just ones taken from other used car websites.

What do you mean the numbers aren't real? They don't ring? They don't look German?

richb77

Original Poster:

889 posts

190 months

Monday 24th March 2014
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The numbers are German.

When telephoned an automated "number not in use" message is read out.

The adverts went live today and the dealer signed up to the site four days ago.

Strangely Mobile.de has pulled the whole lot now.

So again. I know its a scam but why and for what ends?

Jim AK

4,029 posts

153 months

Monday 24th March 2014
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"Send the asking price I will ship it"

Seems obvious to me. Sadly there are people out there who will do exactly that, then wonder why they do not get the item.

There is another thread here about a similar scam, albeit with cars at ridiculous prices, but I can't find it!

  • Sadly I have no idea how German tax laws are operated or implemented so am unable to say if it could be a tax scam*
  • Edit for benefit if site pedants*
Edited by Jim AK on Monday 24th March 13:18

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

284 months

Monday 24th March 2014
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Jim AK said:
"Send the asking price I will ship it"

Seems obvious to me.
Read the OP again, this is a different scam and hasn't even been able to contact the seller.

veevee

1,458 posts

180 months

Monday 24th March 2014
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Same as the usual ones saying "don't ring the number on the ad" that want you to email an email address, probably.

Jim AK

4,029 posts

153 months

Monday 24th March 2014
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Mr2Mike said:
Read the OP again, this is a different scam and hasn't even been able to contact the seller.
Well he spoke to somebody, apparently with broken English & basic German! :rolleyes

walm

10,644 posts

231 months

Monday 24th March 2014
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Jim AK said:
Mr2Mike said:
Read the OP again, this is a different scam and hasn't even been able to contact the seller.
Well he spoke to somebody, apparently with broken English & basic German! :rolleyes
Seriously - read the OP.

Jim AK

4,029 posts

153 months

Monday 24th March 2014
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I did read it & commented on the first part of the post.

I have no idea how Geman tax laws are applied so have no comment to make on that.

As my father says " Better to keep you mouth shut & let them assume you are ignorant, rather than open it to confirm it"

PHmember

2,487 posts

200 months

Monday 24th March 2014
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Yet you continue to reply.

Again, read the OP.

TankRizzo

8,015 posts

222 months

Monday 24th March 2014
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Jim AK said:
As my father says " Better to keep you mouth shut & let them assume you are ignorant, rather than open it to confirm it"
Quite.

Jim AK

4,029 posts

153 months

Monday 24th March 2014
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I'm sorry.

I merely commented that there are people who would send the money then wait in vain.

I did not realise PH rules were to the effect that I must reply to every part of a post!!


My humble appologies.



Edited by Jim AK on Monday 24th March 13:00


Edited by Jim AK on Monday 24th March 13:10

walm

10,644 posts

231 months

Monday 24th March 2014
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Jim AK said:
As my father says " Better to keep you mouth shut & let them assume you are ignorant, rather than open it to confirm it"
Quoted in case I ever forget how to take my own advice.

Also, you must be really old, being Mark Twain's son.

Jim AK

4,029 posts

153 months

Monday 24th March 2014
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People like you are what make this site such a hoot.

Such a shame they don't let you post in green.


PHmember

2,487 posts

200 months

Monday 24th March 2014
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It's not about replying to every part of the post. But the OP clearly stated that the scam you are commenting on wasn't the scam he was asking about.

He wants to know how the dodgy website scam works.

Jim AK

4,029 posts

153 months

Monday 24th March 2014
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I say again. I merely observed that people have & do send money to scam sites.

For the benefit of all the pedants on here today I will edit my original reply to the extent that I have no awareness of German tax laws so cannot help.

Is today a school holiday?

TankRizzo

8,015 posts

222 months

Monday 24th March 2014
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Sigh.

Jim, the OP was asking about this particular bit - see his original post:

OP said:
The last is the one i am confused over.

Another Passat. But this one is a little cheaper. Its with a dealer in Germany who on mobile.de has about 15 cars advertised. All about €1000 under priced (on a €10k car and Italian imports are common here and they are cheaper).

[....]

Obviously i am leaving well alone but i cant work out WHY do this? Tax scam???
He knows the shipping ones were dodgy. He wasn't asking about those. He wanted to know how the last one was a scam.

That is all people are trying to tell you.

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

284 months

Monday 24th March 2014
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Jim AK said:
I say again. I merely observed that people have & do send money to scam sites.

For the benefit of all the pedants on here today I will edit my original reply to the extent that I have no awareness of German tax laws so cannot help.

Is today a school holiday?
It's hardly pedantry when it's pointed out that you are answering a question that simply wasn't asked, and whilst not commenting on one that was.

The first scam is obvious in it's implementation, and the OP clearly already knows how it works.