Will somebody save it?
Discussion
I was browsing e-bay looking at smoker estates, thinking a 405 would fit the part when I stumbled upon this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Peugeot-405-Mi16-/321359...
I always wanted one and I would bid, but now I have no time to have a project and nowhere to dry store it either, I hope that someone might save it and keep it whole rather than rip out the engine for a transplant.
what does everyone else think? Is it saveable or will it rust in peace?
I always wanted one and I would bid, but now I have no time to have a project and nowhere to dry store it either, I hope that someone might save it and keep it whole rather than rip out the engine for a transplant.
what does everyone else think? Is it saveable or will it rust in peace?
My opinion, as someone who owned a 205 GTI in the 90's...
Back in the day, as they say, many Mi16 engines were torn from 406 chassis to begin a new life in a 205. Was a regular occurrence.
These days, not many people run 205's as a daily drive, or anything approaching that - and good 205's have been increasing in value quite markedly - and as a result, the most sought-after ones are clean, tidy, totally standard ones.
The 205 classic market has helped drive the 309 and 405 market too - but these cars (aside from maybe the special / limited edition models) don't command the same following and prices as the 205's.
That said, Mi16's are now getting very rare too, and some buyers and collectors are willing to pay good money for clean, stock cars.
This one is way past being a good example. Contrary to your 'rust' comment, Pugs of this era were built from galvanised steel - so poor accident repairs notwithstanding, they are generally not too bad as far as rust issues go.
However, this one has mullered body panels all round, and needs a HECK of a lot of work to get it nice. A savvy buyer will probably just wait for a cosseted minter to come along. They're not as rare or desirable as, say, Mk.1 Escorts yet - where a reasonable 2-door bodyshell on it's own can command some serious money!
Nevertheless - an interesting ebay sale, all the same.
Back in the day, as they say, many Mi16 engines were torn from 406 chassis to begin a new life in a 205. Was a regular occurrence.
These days, not many people run 205's as a daily drive, or anything approaching that - and good 205's have been increasing in value quite markedly - and as a result, the most sought-after ones are clean, tidy, totally standard ones.
The 205 classic market has helped drive the 309 and 405 market too - but these cars (aside from maybe the special / limited edition models) don't command the same following and prices as the 205's.
That said, Mi16's are now getting very rare too, and some buyers and collectors are willing to pay good money for clean, stock cars.
This one is way past being a good example. Contrary to your 'rust' comment, Pugs of this era were built from galvanised steel - so poor accident repairs notwithstanding, they are generally not too bad as far as rust issues go.
However, this one has mullered body panels all round, and needs a HECK of a lot of work to get it nice. A savvy buyer will probably just wait for a cosseted minter to come along. They're not as rare or desirable as, say, Mk.1 Escorts yet - where a reasonable 2-door bodyshell on it's own can command some serious money!
Nevertheless - an interesting ebay sale, all the same.
itz_baseline said:
Unfortunately I suspect the buyer will transplant the engine as you suggested into a 205 or something. If it was closer and goes for a reasonable price I would it though to tinker and restore
I'm certain you're right and it's a true shame, I'm sure that I'm not alone in saying that there is going to be a load of late 80's early 90's cars that were and are good that disappear from our roads because of apathy.Ray Luxury-Yacht said:
Contrary to your 'rust' comment, Pugs of this era were built from galvanised steel - so poor accident repairs notwithstanding, they are generally not too bad as far as rust issues go.
This one was pretty rotten, but it had been standing for a while in Scotland:http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Ray Luxury-Yacht said:
My opinion, as someone who owned a 205 GTI in the 90's...
Back in the day, as they say, many Mi16 engines were torn from 406 chassis to begin a new life in a 205. Was a regular occurrence.
These days, not many people run 205's as a daily drive, or anything approaching that - and good 205's have been increasing in value quite markedly - and as a result, the most sought-after ones are clean, tidy, totally standard ones.
The 205 classic market has helped drive the 309 and 405 market too - but these cars (aside from maybe the special / limited edition models) don't command the same following and prices as the 205's.
That said, Mi16's are now getting very rare too, and some buyers and collectors are willing to pay good money for clean, stock cars.
This one is way past being a good example. Contrary to your 'rust' comment, Pugs of this era were built from galvanised steel - so poor accident repairs notwithstanding, they are generally not too bad as far as rust issues go.
However, this one has mullered body panels all round, and needs a HECK of a lot of work to get it nice. A savvy buyer will probably just wait for a cosseted minter to come along. They're not as rare or desirable as, say, Mk.1 Escorts yet - where a reasonable 2-door bodyshell on it's own can command some serious money!
Nevertheless - an interesting ebay sale, all the same.
The rust in peace comment wasn't meant to mean that they rust in particular it's just a term I use to mark a car passing on towards it's death. I feel though that there is more to this car than just bashed panels.Back in the day, as they say, many Mi16 engines were torn from 406 chassis to begin a new life in a 205. Was a regular occurrence.
These days, not many people run 205's as a daily drive, or anything approaching that - and good 205's have been increasing in value quite markedly - and as a result, the most sought-after ones are clean, tidy, totally standard ones.
The 205 classic market has helped drive the 309 and 405 market too - but these cars (aside from maybe the special / limited edition models) don't command the same following and prices as the 205's.
That said, Mi16's are now getting very rare too, and some buyers and collectors are willing to pay good money for clean, stock cars.
This one is way past being a good example. Contrary to your 'rust' comment, Pugs of this era were built from galvanised steel - so poor accident repairs notwithstanding, they are generally not too bad as far as rust issues go.
However, this one has mullered body panels all round, and needs a HECK of a lot of work to get it nice. A savvy buyer will probably just wait for a cosseted minter to come along. They're not as rare or desirable as, say, Mk.1 Escorts yet - where a reasonable 2-door bodyshell on it's own can command some serious money!
Nevertheless - an interesting ebay sale, all the same.
For me if I had any skills I would have already bid. As I don't I cannot comment on how much work is required, but for under £300 surely it's worth a bit of effort, I've seen good Mi-16s go for £1500-£2000.
I'm not crazy enough to think you'll get your money back but is it not worth saving something unusual.
FRA53R said:
Ray Luxury-Yacht said:
My opinion, as someone who owned a 205 GTI in the 90's...
Back in the day, as they say, many Mi16 engines were torn from 406 chassis to begin a new life in a 205. Was a regular occurrence.
These days, not many people run 205's as a daily drive, or anything approaching that - and good 205's have been increasing in value quite markedly - and as a result, the most sought-after ones are clean, tidy, totally standard ones.
The 205 classic market has helped drive the 309 and 405 market too - but these cars (aside from maybe the special / limited edition models) don't command the same following and prices as the 205's.
That said, Mi16's are now getting very rare too, and some buyers and collectors are willing to pay good money for clean, stock cars.
This one is way past being a good example. Contrary to your 'rust' comment, Pugs of this era were built from galvanised steel - so poor accident repairs notwithstanding, they are generally not too bad as far as rust issues go.
However, this one has mullered body panels all round, and needs a HECK of a lot of work to get it nice. A savvy buyer will probably just wait for a cosseted minter to come along. They're not as rare or desirable as, say, Mk.1 Escorts yet - where a reasonable 2-door bodyshell on it's own can command some serious money!
Nevertheless - an interesting ebay sale, all the same.
The rust in peace comment wasn't meant to mean that they rust in particular it's just a term I use to mark a car passing on towards it's death. I feel though that there is more to this car than just bashed panels.Back in the day, as they say, many Mi16 engines were torn from 406 chassis to begin a new life in a 205. Was a regular occurrence.
These days, not many people run 205's as a daily drive, or anything approaching that - and good 205's have been increasing in value quite markedly - and as a result, the most sought-after ones are clean, tidy, totally standard ones.
The 205 classic market has helped drive the 309 and 405 market too - but these cars (aside from maybe the special / limited edition models) don't command the same following and prices as the 205's.
That said, Mi16's are now getting very rare too, and some buyers and collectors are willing to pay good money for clean, stock cars.
This one is way past being a good example. Contrary to your 'rust' comment, Pugs of this era were built from galvanised steel - so poor accident repairs notwithstanding, they are generally not too bad as far as rust issues go.
However, this one has mullered body panels all round, and needs a HECK of a lot of work to get it nice. A savvy buyer will probably just wait for a cosseted minter to come along. They're not as rare or desirable as, say, Mk.1 Escorts yet - where a reasonable 2-door bodyshell on it's own can command some serious money!
Nevertheless - an interesting ebay sale, all the same.
For me if I had any skills I would have already bid. As I don't I cannot comment on how much work is required, but for under £300 surely it's worth a bit of effort, I've seen good Mi-16s go for £1500-£2000.
I'm not crazy enough to think you'll get your money back but is it not worth saving something unusual.
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