RE: Motorsport on Monday: 31/03/14
RE: Motorsport on Monday: 31/03/14
Monday 31st March 2014

Motorsport on Monday: 31/03/14

Porsche proves its gunning for victory at LM 2014



The debate on Formula 1 2014 will run and run... and run for the rest of the year, so last weekend's result with Mercedes bagging a one-two - with Lewis Hamilton leading Nico Rosberg home - was no great surprise. The Red Bull of Vettel joining them on the podium in third was. The smile returned, even if 'the finger' didn't.

Did Hamilton blow Rosberg away?
Did Hamilton blow Rosberg away?
We've covered the inaugural season of the 1.6 turbo era in detail during the last few weeks, so with plenty of motorsport action over the previous seven days, we won't dwell on it too much.

However, twelve months on from 'Multi 21', team orders hit the headlines in Malaysia once more. Massa ignored a message to let Williams teammate Bottas through during the final stage of the race - but we can see his point. Sort of.

The radio call told the Brazilian, "Valtteri is quicker than you" - coded, maybe, but not necessarily a direct order as Massa argued, claiming it wasn't clear and that he was right to defend his position. Talking about re-writing the F1 rulebook last week, do team orders have a place in Formula 1? We'll open the floor to suggestions...

919 pipped the Audi R18 at Paul Ricard...
919 pipped the Audi R18 at Paul Ricard...
Porsche proves performance
Prior to the second F1 round of the season, Porsche proved the performance of its 919 Hybrid LMP1 challenger at the 2014 World Endurance Championship "Prologue" (that's just a fancy test, isn't it?), sending a shot across the bows of Audi and Toyota.

24-year-old rookie LMP1 driver Brendon Hartley posted a 1 min 41.289 second lap in Friday night's session, with cooler temperatures giving the V4 turbo motor more power and lower track temperatures possibly allowing a softer tyre.

Compare that to Lotterer's 1 min 42.073 on Friday afternoon in the #2 Audi R18 and it shows despite claims of high staff turnover and vibration issues from the V4 - although murmurings of a revised firing order for the 919's engine may have cured this - Porsche could really run Audi close for honours at the Circuit de la Sarthe this season.

.. maybe explains no Audi pics from the 'Prologue'
.. maybe explains no Audi pics from the 'Prologue'
The second Porsche finished the two-day test in third, while Toyota's new 1,000hp TS040 managed a 1 min 42.356, good enough for fourth. Roughly 1.3 seconds covering the top four - game on.

That massive power output sets it out as the most powerful P1 car in a long time, with the front and rear electric motors delivering a 480hp hybrid boost alongside the 520hp 3.7-litre naturally aspirated V8. When was the last time a 1,000hp-plus car raced at Le Mans? Some form of Nissan RC90 in the early '90s we'd wager.

Hot air
What is interesting about the times the three big LMP teams posted at Paul Ricard was the different specifications the cars were running in. Ricard replicates the long straights of Le Mans, as well as a few other situations, pretty well, so it's a good place to glean some all-important data from. Especially if you're Porsche.

Cooler temps at night benefitted Porsche
Cooler temps at night benefitted Porsche
Excuse us while the PH speculometer is wheeled out, but we don't know exactly who was running what. However, from as far as we can tell, Porsche was sporting a low drag setup, Audi went the other way and opted to run a high-downforce bodywork package, and Toyota mixed it up with one car in Le Mans trim and the other with a short circuit profile. This makes it a little more difficult to assess exactly the relative pace of each car.

Maybe Porsche was sick of rumours it was trailing the Audi by up to two seconds a lap at the previous Sebring test?

Factor in its recent announcement that the 919 will harvest only six megajoules of energy instead of the targeted eight - on a par with the Toyota in terms of energy recovery and ahead of the two megajoule Audi - and Hartley's time nearly eight tenths faster than the lead R18 means either Weissach has pulled its finger out, or Ingolstadt is sand bagging. Which brings us to Toyota again.

Don't forget the third contender in this battle
Don't forget the third contender in this battle
I bet...
The Japanese firm's sports car programme is now in its third year, so the bean counters will be expecting results. With 1,000hp down the Mulsanne, it should help.

However, despite fuel quantities per lap already allegedly confirmed by the FIA and ACO, neither opted to make those numbers public over the two days. This means it's going to be extremely difficult to predict which car will emerge as the dominant package if the exact amount of energy (electric and chemical) the petrol and diesel outfits will get per lap is still up in the air, despite preliminary numbers.

With so many different types of circuit on the WEC calendar - Le Mans, Circuit of the Americas, Fuji and Bahrain to name a few - it's going to be a difficult season to forecast. Won't stop us having a go, though: Audi to win Le Mans 2014. There you go, we said it. What do you reckon?

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IrishAsal

Original Poster:

73 posts

178 months

Monday 31st March 2014
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I always wonder how this stuff is managed. I mean, presumable VAG HQ can decide how they want these races to play out?

I'm not really interested in Motor Sport like this so maybe I'm totally wrong. Love to hear what the experts have to say.


E65Ross

36,618 posts

235 months

Monday 31st March 2014
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IrishAsal said:
I always wonder how this stuff is managed. I mean, presumable VAG HQ can decide how they want these races to play out?

I'm not really interested in Motor Sport like this so maybe I'm totally wrong. Love to hear what the experts have to say.
Extremely doubtful, especially considering they'll be facing stiff competition from Toyota.

Turbobanana

7,907 posts

224 months

Monday 31st March 2014
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Agree with Audi winning Le Mans. I would further predict that either Porsche or Toyota (or maybe both) will lead in the early stages but Audi's reliability (car and team) and established routine will mean they take the flag.

As an aside, can John Hindhaugh (sp?) take on the F1 commentary please? I 'd love to hear the name "Valtteri Bottas" in a Geordie accent...

Edited by Turbobanana on Monday 31st March 14:34

Dr G

15,822 posts

265 months

Monday 31st March 2014
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There are photos on the Audi motorsport blog...

saxy

258 posts

147 months

Monday 31st March 2014
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This year's cars are VERY fast...

The Toyota's power figures are nearly 1000hp, and Porsche would be similar too. The 1:41.2 time is almost as fast as the absolute LMP car record at Paul Ricard from a Peugeot 908 HDi. Of course though, they can't have 1000hp all the time.

Stokemon

76 posts

218 months

Monday 31st March 2014
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Turbobanana said:
As an aside, can John Hindhaugh (sp?) take on the F1 commentary please? I 'd love to hear the name "Valtteri Bottas" in a Geordie accent...

Edited by Turbobanana on Monday 31st March 14:34
I get to hear it in a Geordie accent every day, when I speak biggrin. I would argue he has a Mackem accent though.

Still an amazing commentator, I would love to hear him commentate on everything!

I'm loving the prospect of WEC this year, different ideas to solve the same problem. Looking forward to seeing petrol having a crack at beating nasty diesel over 24 hours!

burman

361 posts

236 months

Monday 31st March 2014
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Looks like the best Le Mans in years is shaping up ,as a Porsche nut it would be a huge shock if they win first time out, but Audi is going to take some beating.
Don't forget anything can happen to anyone at any time at the Sarthe, and that is not factoring in the weather which from past experience can be hot, wet,cold miserable fantastic or any combination.

Alex Langheck

835 posts

152 months

Monday 31st March 2014
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Easter weekend, and it all kicks off, with round 1 at Silverstone, plus the ELMS in the Saturday.


As for the weekend Motorsport, Ireland's Craig Breen won the ERC Acropolis Rally in the new Peugeot 208 T16 R5.

c_seven

163 posts

215 months

Monday 31st March 2014
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Head Audi. Heart Porsche

Rockstar

171 posts

147 months

Monday 31st March 2014
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Heart is with Porsche, they wouldn't be putting in a factory entry just on a whim. This formula of racing is their bread and butter. I'm fair sure Porsche are pretty confident the regs suit their available tech making them competitive.

Porsche's perception of competitive isn't making up the numbers it's being sure they've a 80% chance of winning Le Mans specifically outright(More than once they've not entered factory cars being unsure of their performance and have privateer teams running Porsche cars or engines win)

I'll be watching this year for sureclap


drpep

1,761 posts

191 months

Tuesday 1st April 2014
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This makes me very happy. Time someone put the boot into Audi's over-branded, dull execution of 'performance motoring'. Thank you for livening up the party, Porsche. Toyota too for that matter.

wildman0609

885 posts

199 months

Tuesday 1st April 2014
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I'm a massive Porsche fan, but I just really hope we can have a petrol win. It was 2005 when the last petrol car won.

VladD

8,136 posts

288 months

Tuesday 1st April 2014
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I'd like Toyota to win it this year and Porsche next, but I won't be upset if Porsche win it.

I moved up from the South West to the Midlands last year, so Silverstone is now very drivable from the new house. Unfortunately I've already got something arranged for the WEC weekend there. Massive fail on my part.

angelicupstarts

257 posts

154 months

Tuesday 1st April 2014
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Porsche .........will win

rev-erend

21,603 posts

307 months

Tuesday 1st April 2014
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It would be great if there was a three way race at le Mans ...

Europa1

10,923 posts

211 months

Tuesday 1st April 2014
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IrishAsal said:
I always wonder how this stuff is managed. I mean, presumable VAG HQ can decide how they want these races to play out?

I'm not really interested in Motor Sport like this so maybe I'm totally wrong. Love to hear what the experts have to say.
"not really interested in Motor Sport like this" - that is a crying shame. Endurance racing is ace - prototypes pushing the technological boundaries, GT cars looking like cars you could actually buy, tyres built to last rather than the opposite, no-double-points-at-the-last-race-and-still-Abu-Dhabi-will-be-dull gimmicks, and generally a much more accessible paddock.

I think endurance racing right now has a lot of potential to see a surge in popularity.

VladD

8,136 posts

288 months

Tuesday 1st April 2014
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PW said:
Europa1 said:
no-double-points-at-the-last-race
Yeah, none of that nonsense. Just regular, sensible, double-points-in-the-middle-of-the-season goodness.

Until they reshuffle the season to make Le Mans the last race, then it will be double-points-at-the-last-race.
Slightly unfair as Le Mans is a much longer race.

angelicupstarts

257 posts

154 months

Tuesday 1st April 2014
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PW said:
VladD said:
Slightly unfair as Le Mans is a much longer race.
Look - this is PH Motorsport, it isn't the place for rational, intelligent comments. Just post any old drivel and have an argument is the way!
Too right ! I think Le Mans should be a real stand alone , not part of a series .
Also should not be on a circuit , but start at a certain point lets say Calais ....and drive flat out in any direction on public roads for 24 hours ...and whoever gets the furtherest wins ! ...if there is a dispute on rules it is to be settled with a duel

TransverseTight

753 posts

168 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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angelicupstarts said:
Too right ! I think Le Mans should be a real stand alone , not part of a series .
Also should not be on a circuit , but start at a certain point lets say Calais ....and drive flat out in any direction on public roads for 24 hours ...and whoever gets the furtherest wins ! ...if there is a dispute on rules it is to be settled with a duel
They already close half the roads in france for 3 weeks to as le tour passes through. imagine how much more interesting it would be if they let the le mans grid pass through on a time trial basis before the pushbikes come along, Starting at 1 minute intervals it would only add an hour to how long they keep the road closed for. they night need to make use of the theoretical second seat though!

As for this year I reckon Toyota might be in with a chance, 2 years in the running not as an also ran they seem to hace the kit and skills, just need a bit more luck.