RE: Goodwood Members' Meeting: PH Blog
RE: Goodwood Members' Meeting: PH Blog
Monday 31st March 2014

Goodwood Members' Meeting: PH Blog

This weekend was the first Members' Meeting since the 60s; Matt dug out the flat cap and went along



The premise behind the 72nd Goodwood Members' Meeting is so remarkably simple that it's amazing such an event hasn't happened sooner. Back when the Revival came to fruition in the late 90s, Goodwood was granted five race days a year. September's event only uses up three of those, so how better to utilise the extra two days than with even more classic motorsport?

This was noisy. Wonderfully noisy
This was noisy. Wonderfully noisy
There's still a Revival-esque feel to the proceedings, with formal dress encouraged and the same vintage graffiti adorning the walls. But the jolly policemen are absent, as are the jives and the period shops; this event really prioritises the motorsport over anything else.

But looking at the entry list that really isn't something to begrudge. Half a dozen Maserati 250Fs, a page of pre-war Bugattis, 80s turbo F1 cars, some of the greatest Le Mans racers and a field of classic touring cars promised a great day of racing.

The Le Mans and turbo F1 cars were restricted to 'high speed demonstration laps' which would have been fine except they sort of weren't. In both instances, half the field were circulating pretty quickly with the others ambling along quite a long way back. So far back that they were being caught up on the third lap. But given the prodigious power of all these cars, perhaps taking it easy was wise. And (nearly) all was forgotten on the sight of two Jaguar XJR/9s chasing down the F40 pace car (good choice) into the final chicane, with a Matra following close behind. Marvellous.

This race was as good as it looked
This race was as good as it looked
There were of course some great sights throughout the day; Jochen Mass in a 300 Gullwing, a pack of old F2 cars screaming their way round and Jaguars battling with Ferraris all day long.

But I was waiting around for the Gerry Marshall trophy, for Group 1 production saloons that raced between 1970 and 1982. Hopefully the image proffers a good idea of how brilliant the race was. Camaros traded places with Minis, a plethora of Capris took on the Rover SD1s and there were a few less common cars (Mazda RX-7, Alfa GTV6) just for good measure. It had noise, drama, speed, everything you would want from a touring car race.

But there's a drawback here. As the name obviously implies, the Members' Meeting is only for Goodwood Members. I was only able to tag along with Haymarket as an invited guest; though it was a great privilege to attend (and the smaller crowds were nice), it often felt like intruding a little on a club meet for exceptionally well-to-do patrons. It's a fantastic event if you're ever lucky enough, but the Revival is an even greater experience. Five months and 12 days to go...









 

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andy97

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4,784 posts

251 months

Monday 31st March 2014
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How can the RX7 and the Alfa GTV6 be described as oddballs - they both won the British Touring Car Championship (or was it the Saloon championship then?) back in the day. Every right to be there.

hundleydavid

215 posts

266 months

Monday 31st March 2014
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Gutted I was not able to go but was great to see pictures at least of the Bugatti T57G Tank on track. Was fortunate to see the car being worked on mid last year and is quite the beast. Amazing collection of cars on track doing what they were built for. Racing.

Fetchez la vache

5,898 posts

243 months

Monday 31st March 2014
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You wait weeks for a decent POTW and then 11 arrive at once...

nicanary

11,306 posts

175 months

Monday 31st March 2014
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The general consensus amongst those who went was that it was a great success, and much nicer than the Revival - fewer poseurs and no fancy dress idiots.

garypotter

2,068 posts

179 months

Monday 31st March 2014
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Daughters birthday on Sat, mothers day on Sunday or 72nd meeting at goodwood!
Doh why did I get married and have children.............

TimLambert7

719 posts

154 months

Monday 31st March 2014
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It really was excellent.

The general attendance was a 'distilled' version of the Revival; the real top quarter of people from that event who clearly just love the cars and the racing.

The whole crowd on the bank by the Chicane were cheering Max Girardo in his 250 TdF and all let out an enormous sigh when he span it on the last lap. There was also unanimous cheering at Emmanuel Pirro in the Motorcraft Capri doing some ENORMOUS skids whilst racing from last to 2nd. I'll never forget seeing an F40 catch a hint of oversteer before hitting the boost and rocketing down the pit straight whilst being chased by an XJR15, XJR8/9, 88C-V, 917 Long Tail and a 956.

There's an article on classic driver which catches the mood and is accompanied by some rather excellent photography.




timbo48

688 posts

211 months

Monday 31st March 2014
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Pretty sure that you didn't have to be a member to attend, although that might have been the original idea. I received email on several occasions about buying tickets, my only connection with Goodwood is attending the FoS.

TimLambert7

719 posts

154 months

Monday 31st March 2014
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timbo48 said:
Pretty sure that you didn't have to be a member to attend, although that might have been the original idea. I received email on several occasions about buying tickets, my only connection with Goodwood is attending the FoS.
It began as GRRC members were allowed 2 guests each.

Due to poor pick-up of tickets they started gradually releasing them to Goodwood Members, 'loyal customers', Telegraph readers, various car clubs and then they became general release.

There were also tickets for sale on the gate which weren't members only.

peak1

21 posts

240 months

Monday 31st March 2014
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Loved the Group B Sprint and the Touring Cars. Matra V12 was another highlight.

Edited by peak1 on Monday 31st March 13:05

sideways man

1,669 posts

166 months

Monday 31st March 2014
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Sounds like a great day out. Classic racing beats modern f1 hands down imho. Have been to the FOS since the 2nd year, much nicer back then with a fraction of the people. Will have to try and get tickets to this event next year, if its on?

fatboy69

9,424 posts

216 months

Monday 31st March 2014
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Videos please???

Any idea who was driving the Patrick MotorSport liveried Rover V8 as haven't seen that car around for many years.

More photos/film footage of that beast would be appreciated.

Worked for the Patrick MotorSport team back in the late 70's & early 80's when we ran 1275Gt Mini's & the Rover V8's in the British Saloon Car Championship.

We won the tittle outright with the Mini in 78 & 79 before moving to the big class with the Rover V8.

Sadly we never had the same success with the Rover although we were nightly close to winning the Tourist Trophy outright in, I think, 1981 until we were thwarted by refuelling 'issues' created by TWR who were the works outfit & who didn't like the thought of being beaten at Silversone by a privateer team from Birmingham!!!!

Happy days & memories though so it wasn't all bad!!!


Also just noticed the photo of the start of the saloon car race - the Patrick MotorSport Mini was also out!!! Gutted as would have loved to have been 're-united' with oth of these cars.

Would even worn my old Patrick MotorSport race jacket as well!!!!



Edited by fatboy69 on Monday 31st March 13:35

chevronb37

6,472 posts

215 months

Monday 31st March 2014
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There was a Partrick 1275 GT and an SD1. The Mini belongs to Nick Swift - I don't believe it's an original car, more an evocation. The SD1 was piloted beautifully by Andrew Smith to victory in the headline race, under fierce pressure from John Young's Capri.

Most of the Group 1 cars have been built up to period spec from road cars, though not exclusively. The most significant car in the field was the actual Mazda RX7 which won the 1980 Spa 24 Hours. An oddball, indeed.

My comprehensive event report will be online later in the week, along with a few photos.

urquattro

755 posts

215 months

Monday 31st March 2014
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We were there on Saturday only re family commitments on the Sunday.
However, Goodwood presentation was as good as ever, masses of daffodils in full flower everywhere, blue skies, dry track plus deck chairs (free) for sunny viewing by chicane.

These events cannot miss as the whole mix is so well considered and putting Touring Cars into the programme was an inspiration and excellent race to start proceedings, Mr E.P. in the Capri was brilliant on Saturday and track behaviour very good, the Rover V8 and Mini from Patrick were great fun.

We enjoyed it immensely and that is despite attending almost all FoS and Revival meetings since they started.

Well done Goodwood, owners and drivers, more please next spring.

Matt Bird

1,554 posts

234 months

PH Reportery Lad

Monday 31st March 2014
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andy97 said:
How can the RX7 and the Alfa GTV6 be described as oddballs - they both won the British Touring Car Championship (or was it the Saloon championship then?) back in the day. Every right to be there.
Apologies, perhaps that was the wrong description. They just wouldn't be the first cars that spring to mind in that era of touring cars, that's all. Rare might be better actually, I'll switch it now.


Matt

fatboy69

9,424 posts

216 months

Monday 31st March 2014
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It's been a while since I was around the Patrick MotorSport cars so I don't know where they are now however I can find out.

The last time I saw the championship winning Mini it was sitting on top of the turntable where our 288GTO took pride of place in the now closed motor museum.

On the passenger seat sat some race winning laurels & a couple of trophies.

I think that Richard Longman, who pedalled the Mini so well, also kept one of the winning Mini chassis when we stopped racing the 1275's.

As for the Rovers - again at least one of them lived in the museum & was displayed in our MotorSport section - at one time one of the cars was sat between the ex Graham Hill BRM P578, the F1 world championship winning car, and an ex Nigel Mansell F1 Lotus 92, chassis 5, which was resplendent in JPS colours.

The BRM was the first F1 I drove with the second being the Lotus!!!

Good days were those when you could simply pick up the phone & ask Siverstone if we could bring some cars along to play with on the GP circuit!

We retained a couple of the Rovers, we ran two team cars in 80 & 81 for Rex Greenslade, Rad Dougall, Brian Muir & a couple of other drivers, whilst the other cars were, I think, retained by Martin Thomas at SRG once the race contract expired so both of the cars out on Sunday might well have been original cars.

Saloon car racing at its best!!!!

Foggy748

323 posts

189 months

Monday 31st March 2014
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I was there on Saturday with my son. Great day.

The nice thing about Goodwood is you can see that they make a real effort to please the punters and that, I think, is rare to see these days.

Very well done to all those involved in organising such a great event.

crispyshark

1,272 posts

174 months

Monday 31st March 2014
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Splendid day there yesterday, much more civil than the revival (which is hugely oversubscribed now).

I have got some videos of the Bugatti's lining up and launching from the start.

Favorite car of the day for me had to be the BRM with standing/up pipes, not the fastest but boy, what a sound!

Here's the video of the Bug's as taken from above the pits....enjoy!:

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fatboy69

9,424 posts

216 months

Monday 31st March 2014
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Did they have they have the stack-pipe BRM as well?

Was is P578/2, the ex Graham Hill car?


peak1

21 posts

240 months

Monday 31st March 2014
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Some of my pictures from the Sunday...












andy97

Original Poster:

4,784 posts

251 months

Monday 31st March 2014
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Matt Bird said:
andy97 said:
How can the RX7 and the Alfa GTV6 be described as oddballs - they both won the British Touring Car Championship (or was it the Saloon championship then?) back in the day. Every right to be there.
Apologies, perhaps that was the wrong description. They just wouldn't be the first cars that spring to mind in that era of touring cars, that's all. Rare might be better actually, I'll switch it now.


Matt
Thanks Matt.

I actually think it depends on how old you are as to which cars you remember. I wouldn't say "Camaro" but I would have said, Rover SD1, Capri, RX7, Alfa GTV6 and Dolomite.

There is no doubt that the RX7 participation in the British Saloon Car Championship was possibly down to some odd interpretation of the rules by TWR (not for the first or last time) that they clearly got away with.