How long is this idiocy going to continue?
How long is this idiocy going to continue?
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mybrainhurts

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90,809 posts

286 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2594988/Co...

Woman on a Due Care and Attention ticket for drinking in standing traffic.

We've had incidents with an apple, a KitKat and drinks over the years, but nothing of late. Now we get another one.

How can police officers expect respect when some of their number engage in tripe like this?

Evo

3,462 posts

285 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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With you on this one, yet its still deemed perfectly safe for someone to light and smoke a cigarette whilst driving.

Grandpad58

12,549 posts

212 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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Nanny State, bloody stupid IMO.

NH1

1,333 posts

160 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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Why would anyone even accept a FPN in such circumstances, you are not obliged to take any paperwork from them, just tell them to report you if they are so confident. Its up to them to prove guilt, not you to prove innocence.

Derek Smith

50,019 posts

279 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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I feel certain that the circumstances as reported in the DM article are the only ones relevant. There is nothing else to it. She was, I most certainly believe, stationary in traffic and merely took a sip from the drink.

What motive could there be for the DM to distort and lie?

mybrainhurts

Original Poster:

90,809 posts

286 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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Derek Smith said:
What motive could there be for the DM to distort and lie?
Not sure if serious...

PS...DM got it from the Sun.

Derek Smith

50,019 posts

279 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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mybrainhurts said:
Derek Smith said:
What motive could there be for the DM to distort and lie?
Not sure if serious...

PS...DM got it from the Sun.
Q.E.D?

10 Pence Short

32,880 posts

248 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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Derek Smith said:
I feel certain that the circumstances as reported in the DM article are the only ones relevant. There is nothing else to it. She was, I most certainly believe, stationary in traffic and merely took a sip from the drink.

What motive could there be for the DM to distort and lie?
Totally agree. I'm sure her driving was otherwise exemplary.

Especially as for s3, evidence of bad driving is required, otherwise they could have just relied on not in proper control, which requires less to prove.

What's the bets the subject is a friend or relative of a journo or suchlike?

mybrainhurts

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90,809 posts

286 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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10 Pence Short said:
What's the bets the subject is a friend or relative of a journo or suchlike?
You might have a point. Do you think she beats up her granny as well? And kittens?

Cooperman

4,428 posts

281 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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Why do the media persist in saying "The Police fined......".
The Police can fine no-one. The only legal 'fine' is one applied by a proper court.
All the Police can do is to issue a 'Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty' which the accused can challenge in a court and get heard, using a lawyer is necessary. So in this instance why did the Ka driver not reject the COFP and 'see them in court' with the absolute defence that when stationary it is impossible for the accused's driving to fall below that expected of a careful driver? Or was she driving with a can of drink in one hand which she was supping with a straw whilst moving? Who knows what the evidence might be, or with the reputation the Old Bill are getting themselves of late what it might be 'adjusted' to be.

rambo19

2,970 posts

168 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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More to this.....................

10 Pence Short

32,880 posts

248 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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mybrainhurts said:
You might have a point. Do you think she beats up her granny as well? And kittens?
I imagine she kicks nuns. Er, for kicks.

Who me ?

7,455 posts

243 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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From the article "The officer, who was riding a bike" .So next question ,was the officer riding without due care as his attention was not focused on the road to have spotted her.

TheBear

1,940 posts

277 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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"How long is this idiocy going to continue?"

As long as people have keyboards and swallow everything they read, then at a guess...until the end of time??

mybrainhurts

Original Poster:

90,809 posts

286 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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TheBear said:
"How long is this idiocy going to continue?"

As long as people have keyboards and swallow everything they read, then at a guess...until the end of time??
All right, forget this story and let's discuss the last one involving an apple, where plod stated this was a such a serious offence it justified time in the air for their helicopter to film the location for the court.

Over to you...

vonhosen

40,597 posts

248 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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mybrainhurts said:
TheBear said:
"How long is this idiocy going to continue?"

As long as people have keyboards and swallow everything they read, then at a guess...until the end of time??
All right, forget this story and let's discuss the last one involving an apple, where plod stated this was a such a serious offence it justified time in the air for their helicopter to film the location for the court.

Over to you...
isn't that the case where a woman was judged not to be in proper control taking corner?

The helicopter wouldn't be sent up for that purpose, it would just film the junction whilst flying over.

Derek Smith

50,019 posts

279 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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Cooperman said:
Why do the media persist in saying "The Police fined......".
The Police can fine no-one. The only legal 'fine' is one applied by a proper court.
All the Police can do is to issue a 'Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty' which the accused can challenge in a court and get heard, using a lawyer is necessary. So in this instance why did the Ka driver not reject the COFP and 'see them in court' with the absolute defence that when stationary it is impossible for the accused's driving to fall below that expected of a careful driver? Or was she driving with a can of drink in one hand which she was supping with a straw whilst moving? Who knows what the evidence might be, or with the reputation the Old Bill are getting themselves of late what it might be 'adjusted' to be.
I'm not sure it is an absolute defence to show that your vehicle was stationary.

You can be still driving a vehicle when stationary. Indeed, you can still be driving a car when you are outside it.

TheBear

1,940 posts

277 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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mybrainhurts said:
TheBear said:
"How long is this idiocy going to continue?"

As long as people have keyboards and swallow everything they read, then at a guess...until the end of time??
All right, forget this story and let's discuss the last one involving an apple, where plod stated this was a such a serious offence it justified time in the air for their helicopter to film the location for the court.

Over to you...
No no, let's keep going with this one.

I can only imagine the lady's surprise when just sitting there, stationary and taking a slurp that she was "fined".

I guess such was the ferocity of the slurp that the officer (having a bad day/jobsworth/bullied at school) had to call for assistance from not 1 or 2 officers, but 3 whole officers.

So 4 officers dealing with a slurp. She's lucky to be alive.


mybrainhurts

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90,809 posts

286 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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So the general consensus is...

(a)..this didn't happen

and

(b)..It's fair to get £100 and 3 points for eating/drinking at the wheel, on the move or whilst stationary.

Have I got that right?

Mound Dawg

1,931 posts

205 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2014
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mybrainhurts said:
So the general consensus is...

(a)..this didn't happen

and

(b)..It's fair to get £100 and 3 points for eating/drinking at the wheel, on the move or whilst stationary.

Have I got that right?
Daily Mail so I'll go with "A".