RE: Clio Renaultsport 200 Turbo: PH Fleet
RE: Clio Renaultsport 200 Turbo: PH Fleet
Wednesday 9th April 2014

Clio Renaultsport 200 Turbo: PH Fleet

Renault's controversial Clio 200 joins the PH Fleet: can it win us over?



The lukewarm reception to a new Clio Renaultsport has become something of a tradition. But even going on past performance the introduction of this latest 200 Turbo EDC must have broken new ground in terms of apathy. 

To reprise, the controversy surrounds three key elements. First there's the retirement of the much-loved naturally aspirated two-litre motor, replaced with a turbocharged 1.6 unit. Then there's the deletion of the manual gearbox in favour of a dual-clutch and paddles. And if that wasn't enough to send Renaultsport's loyal following down to their nearestFord dealer, the new car only comes dressed in a five-door bodyshell. 

For anyone still reading the spec sheet, dig deeper and there's more. Gone is the torque-steer quelling Perfohub suspension, for instance, along with bespoke body panels like the Clio III's puffed-out front wings. Even cheaper alternatives such as the bolt-on arches worn by the Megane 265 have been shunned. 

Can we unearth Renault's hot hatch mojo?
Can we unearth Renault's hot hatch mojo?
So far, so not so good. But before you accuse me of anti-Renault ranting, as a self-confessed Renaultsport fanboy my immediate gut reaction was one of disappointment and disaffection. Ever since I was taken on a hugely irresponsible passenger ride around Annecy in a 5 GT Turbo aged 13, I've loved pretty much everything hot with a diamond on the grill. For several years I was the happy owner of a brilliant Inferno Orange full-fat 182, and I've had wheel time in virtually everything Renaultsport has produced over the last 10 years. So my view that the team from Dieppe knows exactly how to put together a magical hot hatch is unequivocal. Or was.  

Of course they are not alone in being able to produce cars that deliver addictive, accessible, everyday thrills in a practical, affordable package. But with Renaultsport you always get the wizardry and special touches - treats like trick dampers in the Trophy, thinner glass in the 172 Cup and a carbon bonnet on the R26.R. I adore all these hardcore details, and for me they define the single-minded pursuit of performance and Gallic quirkiness that make Renaultsport so unique and appealing. So when rumours began circulating about the change of direction for the Clio 200 replacement, it was perfectly natural that I would feel worried. 

The Clio's sense of purpose always gave those of us with modest budgets an insight into what it must be like to own a properly focused sports car. Indeed, comparisons were often made between the outgoing Clio 200 Cup and Porsche's GT3 - both offering the essence of pure driving pleasure, yet at very different price points. So it's ironic that both have been denounced for sacrificing elements of what made them so special in the name of progress. Combustion problems aside, the new GT3 seems to steamroll any criticism of its move away from a manual gearbox with a sheer quantum leap in capability, but will it be the same with the new Clio 200?

Obviously we specced the Cup suspension!
Obviously we specced the Cup suspension!
Likewise, in Formula 1 the jury is still out as to whether turbocharging has added more than it has taken away. Sure, the performance benefits are tough to argue with, but on a purely emotional basis, that high-revving naturally aspirated scream is already sorely missed. As a current engine supplier with a rich history in turbocharging, Renault is obviously keen to highlight the new Clio motor's connections with F1, and the press pack is peppered with references to F1-style this and that. Such an obvious link between engine and gearbox technology must have seemed like a marketing dream when Red Bull and its Renault engine were dominating proceedings. Currently though, there's a lot less to celebrate.

Where old Renaultsport would have got its customers salivating with stripped-back interiors, new Renaultsport piles on the toys. Whether by accident or design, the new Clio offers a bewildering array of distractions from the driver's seat. Even the standard equipment is generous, but our Lux specced car gets the R-Link multimedia touchscreen and optional Renaultsport Monitor. As well as sat-nav and a Bluetooth hook up for your phone, you can watch videos and view your latest selfies. It even has some kind of app store, although God knows what you download from it. Then there's the Renaultsport Monitor; effectively £300 to have Adrian Newey in the passenger seat wherever you go. It's impressive stuff, with pages and pages of graphs and charts showing everything from fluid temperatures to steering angle as well as a lap timer and datalogger. It really is a geek's wet dream. 

With no Recaro seat option, our nod to hardcore Clios of yore is limited to a tick in the Cup chassis box. This gives us 15 per cent stiffer springs and dampers, a scant 3mm reduction in ride height and Dunlop Sport Maxx RT tyres on 18-inch Renaultsport rims. 

The Clio's got a battle on its hands from start
The Clio's got a battle on its hands from start
Assuming that this new arrival on the PH Fleet doesn't prove to be an unexpected instant hit, our hope is that it's a grower. It could be that there is nothing wrong with the new recipe; it just needs more time to marinate. The alternative is less appealing, but possibly inevitable; that Renaultsport's change in direction will sacrifice some of its old fanbase in search of a newer, broader market. Times are changing, and perhaps the values of a generation that grew up on 80s and 90s hot hatches - to which I belong - are no longer relevant. 

One thing's for sure though, having secured a loan for six months, the new Clio Renaultsport will have ample opportunity to work its charms. Along the way I'll be using it for mundane commutes and cross-country treks as well as exploiting Renaultsport's own track day calendar both at home and across the Channel. The first of which is already looming large, and at the weekend Dan and I will be heading off to Spa. Hopefully by then I'll have found a way into the data logger.


FACT SHEET
Car:
Clio Renaultsport 200 Turbo EDC LUX
Run by: Danny Milner
On fleet since: April 2014
Mileage: 452
List price new: £21,535 (Basic list of £19,995 plus £650 for Cup Chassis including revised spring/damper rates, gloss black 18-inch wheels, red brake calipers and Dunlop Sport Maxx TT tyres, £595 for Flame Red i.d. metallic paint, £295 for Renaultsport Monitor)
Last month at a glance: New car smell still present and correct; in at the deep end with impending first track day.

 

 

   
   
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Roma101

Original Poster:

859 posts

176 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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Be interesting to see how you get on with it. Love the red - I have seen it on a few non-RS cars.

If it came as a manual, I would seriously consider one - I can live with the change to turbo power and the five doors no problem. An auto, and a dodgy one at that (according to the majority of journos), is a step too far for me when it comes to a hot hatch.

Have fun!

anonymous-user

83 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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Appreciate that cars have to move with the times but can't say I wholly like these times. Times where real experience and actually doing stuff is replaced more and more by artificial experience and having gadgets do stuff for you?

This is all well and good when it relates to a washing machine or some other mundane task, but I mourn the generation of drivers who will no longer feel a true mechanical connection their the car, the road and the environment in which they are driving. Drive by wire steering, electric handbrakes and synthetic exhaust noise are a step to far in my opinion. If this continues then perhaps very soon the human body itself will be completely redundant.

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 8th April 17:30

Maggi112

20 posts

177 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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Didn't like it when it came out. Then I sat in one, and now I own one. LOVE it.

gashead1105

623 posts

182 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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Over £21,000! I'm sure my 250 cup had a list price of less than that 3 years ago (and there was also a cheap PCP deal available at the time). No wonder I've never seen one on the road, Fiesta STs on the other hand...

Georgeski

7 posts

158 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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See you at Spa on Monday then...... It should be an awesome day.

TrackTalentUK

120 posts

193 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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Owner of a 2010 Clio 200 here, just my opinion but think:

- Whereas the older Renaultsport models looked a fair bit different from the standard Clios, this looks a little underwhelming.
- No sports seats
- I don't mind the idea of semi-auto but it's too frustrating, not allowing you to downshift when driving with spirit.

I'm sure (hope?), Renault will release updated versions with options to address the above but got to worry a bit when they spec stupid gadgets such as the R-Link. Who wants to hear synthesised engine sounds of other cars?

ellis427

1,653 posts

208 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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Take my rs200 clio cup over the new one every day!

Serious disappointment the new one. Got offered one at a good rate but, declined it is horrid.

TREMAiNE

4,164 posts

178 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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TrackTalentUK said:
I'm sure (hope?), Renault will release updated versions with options to address the above but got to worry a bit when they spec stupid gadgets such as the R-Link. Who wants to hear synthesised engine sounds of other cars?
I'm sure they will, they always have done little touch ups based on their cars reception - 172 to 182, 197 to 200 etc.

Maggi112

20 posts

177 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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TrackTalentUK said:
Owner of a 2010 Clio 200 here, just my opinion but think:

- Whereas the older Renaultsport models looked a fair bit different from the standard Clios, this looks a little underwhelming.
- No sports seats
- I don't mind the idea of semi-auto but it's too frustrating, not allowing you to downshift when driving with spirit.

I'm sure (hope?), Renault will release updated versions with options to address the above but got to worry a bit when they spec stupid gadgets such as the R-Link. Who wants to hear synthesised engine sounds of other cars?
Have you actually sat in one?

The seats are excellent.
R-Link is the operating system they've decided to develop, there are many (well a few) apps, one of which is the sound app which you don't have to use. The car itself doesn't sound that bad actually, pops and bangs in sport and race.
And you can change down, it just won't let you if it's going to drop the into a rev band that's too high and going to damage the engine. Which you wouldn't if driving a manual anyway.

AndyBrew

2,774 posts

248 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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This car is the Windows 8 of the car world, they have seriously got it wrong!

ezi

1,734 posts

215 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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I just don't get how Renault fked up so bad. All the previous RS Clio's have been pretty much the best in class however this one is one of the worst frown

jerrytlr

433 posts

242 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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I took one for a decent test drive and loved it - a great car. But then again it is the first Renaultsport Clio I have ever driven. I suspect maybe I am the target audience as I was looking at it as a replacement family car.

I thought the gearbox was fine and the paddle shifters were great to use unlike some I have tried, seats excellent, really well finished and equipped inside, and looks great from the outside.

Don't understand the hate for this car, maybe they have diluted the formula a bit to broaden the appeal but ignoring comparisons with previous Renaultsport Clios and taking it just on its merits compared to what else is around, I think it is a great package.

Would definitely have bought it if I had managed to persuade the other half to spend that much on a car.... sadly failed so ageing diesel Megane it is :-(

I also looked at the Fiesta ST given the great write ups it gets but it feels so cheap and nasty by comparison - really feels in the next class down compared to the Clio - I didn't even bother driving it. Not very PH I know......


Cheers

Jerry

MrBurt

156 posts

175 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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Interested to see what Pistonheads thinks of this car over time. The spec looks worrying but I reckon it will be a grower. The photographs in this article are dreadful however.

anonymous-user

83 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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The Megane 250 didn't go down to well at first if I remember rightly. Same criticisms. Give it time.

folos

900 posts

171 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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Gopping.

Ollieb7

432 posts

227 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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No.

loose cannon

6,057 posts

270 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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W124 said:
The Megane 250 didn't go down to well at first if I remember rightly. Same criticisms. Give it time.
Unfortunately for the little clio it's not the best car in its class as a drivers car
We're as the 250 was ! and tbh that was supposed to be the whole point of the Rs and why they had a fan base to start with. which renault have decided to not listen to,

Buff Mchugelarge

3,316 posts

179 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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Will watch this one with interest. smile
Chris Harris seemed to like it so that'll make up 90% of peoples minds I expect.

It's too bland looking, it looks no different to a diesel with big wheels. You could spot a Mk3 straight away, big flairy arches and diffusers.. where's the visual impact with this one?

D7Cup

123 posts

162 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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Buff Mchugelarge said:
Chris Harris seemed to like it so that'll make up 90% of peoples minds I expect.
CH used to own a 200 cup iirc, I can't see him parting with his hard earned for the 200t though..

RedTrident

8,290 posts

264 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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If it didn't carry forward the Renaultsport name I don't think it would be as badly received.

If I had 20k for a hot hatch this wouldn't make my shortlist.