RE: Impreza 2000 Turbo: Catch It While You Can
RE: Impreza 2000 Turbo: Catch It While You Can
Thursday 10th April 2014

Impreza 2000 Turbo: Catch It While You Can

Prefer your Subaru fun in its original form? You might have to hurry before it's too late



With the new Subaru WRX STI leaving Dan wallowing in nostalgia after a little foresting in Sweden, I have started thinking – yet again – about how good the 1990s original Impreza really is. And how I really should slot one on my drive alongside my Delta Integrale. Compared with some of the lovelies I've highlighted on PH, the 1994-2000 Subaru Impreza 2000 Turbo almost seems a little bit run of the mill.

But bear with me on this – the vanilla UK car really is something quite special. And just as my Integrale is an 8V and not an Evo, my Impreza of choice would be one of these, and not one of the higher profile variations such as the 22B, P1, or RB5. Why? Because, it's still an undoubted bargain, and not long from now, we might be left with nothing but the pumped-up Scoobies. And it's not as if a standard Impreza is slow, even by today's standards.

Before it sprouted wings and gold wheels...
Before it sprouted wings and gold wheels...
Given that numbers are dropping rapidly, I reckon now really is the time to catch one while you can. Seriously. At the last count at the end of 2013, there were 476 Impreza 2000 Turbos taxed and still on the road in the UK. Sounds a lot until you consider that at the same point in 2011, that number was 731. With values for the hardest-driven examples currently on the floor, arguably keeping the nicer stock below where it deserves to be, breaking rather than conserving earlier cars seems to be the reason that numbers are falling fast.

Okay, so that's natural selection, and once it all shakes out, we'll be left with a pool of nice, early, original Imprezas to choose from. But by then, their appealing affordability may well have gone out of the window.

And I'll level with you – I absolutely adore these cars, and have done so from the moment Subaru started officially importing them into the UK 20 years ago. How could anyone not love a car that combined sheepish looks, a 211hp turbocharged flat-four, bullet-proof four-wheel drive transmission, and a 0-60mph time of 5.8 seconds, with a list price of £17,999? Here's some 1994 context for you. This was the same price as a BMW 318iS Coupe, and truly a super-saloon for the working man.

This was a revelatory moment. Subaru had re-drawn the parameters of expected performance for the money, and it took rival manufacturers years to catch up. The road testers twigged the moment they got behind the wheel, as did buyers, who bought these rally-bred cars in their thousands. And very soon, Britain was reverberating to the sound of throbbing flat fours, pulsing like they were misfiring – and B-roads everywhere bore witness to mighty acts of giant-killing. Car magazine loved it so much, that five years on, it proclaimed the Impreza as its Car of The Decade for the 1990s. It's difficult to argue against that.

Classifieds tyre kicking unearths a few temptations
Classifieds tyre kicking unearths a few temptations
20 years on, and in many ways, an early Impreza feels laughably shoddy. The frameless windows are nice, but interior is cheap, shiny, and scratchy, and it feels more hire car than thoroughbred. But fire it up, and that lumpy engine note gets you every time, and once you're cracking on, and the oil's warm, it wakes up and feels planted, exciting and secure in a way that feels remarkably modern. Even the steering, which is lacking in feedback in normal driving, starts telling you what's what, once you're in full hoon mode. 

So, the old girl is still a great steer in 2014. There are a few well-known issues to watch out for – most notably rumbling bottom ends, poorly remapped examples boosting beyond their detonation limits, and general body corrosion and shabbiness. But they are as tough as old boots, and any major malady will soon become apparent on the shortest test drive. If it howls, clonks or doesn't drive straight and true, walk away. Bottom line – if you're looking at a UK-specification 2000 Turbo, the chances are, its running gear won't have come anywhere near being stressed.

Yes, you can buy a standard Impreza for around a grand right now. I tried one recently – and although its character was largely intact, I couldn't look too far beyond its many faults... and the impending bills. And I'm more forgiving to shedness than most. But raise your sights, and set a budget of £3,000, and there are still some very, very nice 2000 Turbos out there.

Two that jump off the page are both pretty vanilla, and all the more appealing for it. This one in Scotland with what the seller describes as a genuinely low mileage looks good. I'd bin the Team Dynamics wheels and dump valve, though. And the this Silver example, in all-original trim, new belts and 83,000 miles. And both come in at comfortably less than £3,000. It won't be too long, I reckon, before we all start regretting not buying cars like this while they were all so cheap...

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civicduty

Original Poster:

1,857 posts

232 months

Thursday 10th April 2014
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Oi, stop it, trying to make my Man Maths work so that I can buy one of these amazing cars and you drawing attention them to is not going to help me find one for a decent price. wink

Seriously I have lusted after a Scooby for ever and I am now nearly in position to get one, hope enough clean examples are around when everything comes together.

RyanTank

2,850 posts

183 months

Thursday 10th April 2014
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civicduty said:
Seriously I have lusted after a Scooby for ever
Same here :thumbsup: Sadly its still a while off before I can even begin entertaining the idea of getting one!


Also

Someone needs to tell the OP that his "obligatory Subaru blue" Impreza is actually green! wobble


(original link in case he changes it wink )
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/s...

BigsimonY

634 posts

154 months

Thursday 10th April 2014
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civicduty said:
Oi, stop it, trying to make my Man Maths work so that I can buy one of these amazing cars and you drawing attention them to is not going to help me find one for a decent price. wink

Seriously I have lusted after a Scooby for ever and I am now nearly in position to get one, hope enough clean examples are around when everything comes together.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/subaru/impreza/subaru-impreza-turbo-low-mileage-------------2000/2135213

bargain

dirtbiker

1,411 posts

195 months

Thursday 10th April 2014
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Agreed, Ryan; obligatory Subaru blue?!



Would love to own one of these at some point though - the noise is wonderful (even on the chavved up examples!)

Mr.Jimbo

2,084 posts

212 months

Thursday 10th April 2014
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I noticed the obligatory blue was in fact green. Glad I'm not going mad.

That said, the V5 for my RB5 (Metallic Grey colour) does say blue (because Subaru registered the RB5 in 'steel blue' hence the DVLA said, yep, that's blue.

I'm thinking of replacing the RB5, I've already nearly sold it once when I had to commute 250 miles a week (one tank) but did some man maths and couldn't bear to get rid. 2 years later I still have it and drive it every day.

There'll be tears the day I sell it I reckon.

aka_kerrly

12,505 posts

239 months

Thursday 10th April 2014
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I'd love to take the plunge and get a Impreza but i've always been a bit put off by the engine and the potential bottom end issues.

It could be that the issue is blown out of proportion but I know a few people who have killed more than one engine.

suffolk009

7,834 posts

194 months

Thursday 10th April 2014
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When our first child appeared, my wife instructed me to sell the Saab 900 Turbo 16v (so, lovely), and get a "boring estate car - anything with rear doors and a proper boot".

"Something Japanese? Nice and reliable?" I suggested.

WRX 5 door Import. When that one died I got another, and another and the a couple of Leggy GTBs.

Leon19841

63 posts

149 months

Thursday 10th April 2014
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suffolk009 said:
When our first child appeared, my wife instructed me to sell the Saab 900 Turbo 16v (so, lovely), and get a "boring estate car - anything with rear doors and a proper boot".

"Something Japanese? Nice and reliable?" I suggested.

WRX 5 door Import. When that one died I got another, and another and the a couple of Leggy GTBs.
I would love to have seen her face the first time she sat in the Impreza bucket seat and heard that engine smile

KeithAdams

38 posts

188 months

Thursday 10th April 2014
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Chaps, sorry about that.

I'm colour blind, and that just kicked me in the arse. 'Obligatory Subaru Blue', is indeed green.

Regards
Keith

angry jock

1,005 posts

228 months

Thursday 10th April 2014
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Here's my 1999 Wagon. Bought it as a stop gap after selling a Porsche 924. I was fully expecting to sell it in the spring, however, I am loathed to part with it as it is such a hoot to drive.

It's relatively quick and comes alive through the twisties and the only real downside is its appetite for Shell's finest.

Great cars thumbup

Motorrad

6,811 posts

216 months

Thursday 10th April 2014
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BigsimonY said:
Problem is that it's been fked about with. You want total originality IMO.

I was looking at the car linked to in the advert this morning and other than the stickers I think that's more the sort of thing I'd be looking for-only from a private seller.

alb27

55 posts

190 months

Thursday 10th April 2014
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Damn, this is making me rather regret selling mine last week now! It was an infrequently used second car, but was pretty reliable in general (even with a few modifications to make it go a little better than standard).

I can't think of anything much more capable on my favourite twisty B-road than one of these, for that sort of money.




Gone but not forgotten!

Jazzy Jefferson

728 posts

170 months

Thursday 10th April 2014
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aka_kerrly said:
I'd love to take the plunge and get a Impreza but i've always been a bit put off by the engine and the potential bottom end issues.
These issues do not cause problems for the 2.0 engine.

DanielSan

19,997 posts

196 months

Thursday 10th April 2014
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I keep looking for standard PPP'd RB5 but not seen one for sale for ages. I really want one frown

J4CKO

46,821 posts

229 months

Thursday 10th April 2014
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Motorrad said:
BigsimonY said:
Problem is that it's been fked about with. You want total originality IMO.

I was looking at the car linked to in the advert this morning and other than the stickers I think that's more the sort of thing I'd be looking for-only from a private seller.
It looks like a decent example with nothing irreversible done.

It does suprise me how the Impreza is so cheap these days, ditto the Celica GT4, especially when the Escort Cosworth, E30 M3 and Integrale are so expensive, performance wise the Impreza is on a par.

Suppose the Impreza is more numerous and has been ruined in a lot of cases, suspect they will start getting snapped up as they start running out, look what has happened to every rusty old MK1/2 Escort shell, I would say the Impreza is probably the most iconic rally car of its generation.

Get a warehouse somewhere and go round buying up all the cheap ones, leave them say, what, 7 years and see where prices are.

There is something quite modest about early Impreza's that have not been messed with.




y2blade

56,318 posts

244 months

Thursday 10th April 2014
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angry jock said:


Here's my 1999 Wagon. Bought it as a stop gap after selling a Porsche 924. I was fully expecting to sell it in the spring, however, I am loathed to part with it as it is such a hoot to drive.

It's relatively quick and comes alive through the twisties and the only real downside is its appetite for Shell's finest.

Great cars thumbup
I'd love a 2000 turbo wagon at some point.

Lovely cars

crispyshark

1,272 posts

174 months

Thursday 10th April 2014
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For god’s sake shut up man!

Some of us have realised this already and are trying to squirrel our unmolested, rarer versions away……we don’t want every tom, dick and ‘arry at it! wink

But seriously, I think across the Impreza range there are investment bargains to be had!

graham22

3,326 posts

234 months

Thursday 10th April 2014
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39k mile facelift body/later model but early dashboard wheel model here:

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C466712

Always thought good money could be invested in a early standard or Pro-drive spec Impreza.

Motorrad

6,811 posts

216 months

Thursday 10th April 2014
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J4CKO said:
It looks like a decent example with nothing irreversible done.
I agree it looks like a good one but the colour coding, dump valve, likely lowered modified suspension and non original wheels mean it's a non-starter as a keeper for me.

I'd want a lowish miles, few owner car, preferably totally original. I'd then map it, put a subtle (ie not a scoobysport) exhaust on it, possibly a brake upgrade and nothing else.

The problem with Imprezas is that when people start modifying them you're never sure exactly what's been done and to what standard. Better to look for an original minter.

Madkat

1,147 posts

201 months

Thursday 10th April 2014
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I Would except as you point out clean examples are few and far between and a lot of them have ended up in the wrong hands meaning the insurance premiums reflect this.

I am more inclined to look at a 05> on-wards for better premiums but the classic shape still appeals probably most of all. Unfortunately prejudicial insurance all but see's to that for me.