RE: Mazda Eunos Roadster: PH Fleet
RE: Mazda Eunos Roadster: PH Fleet
Tuesday 15th April 2014

Mazda Eunos Roadster: PH Fleet

More exhaust noise, more skidding - Dan's Mazda is unleashing some juvenile delinquency!



My original plan when downsizing back to the Eunos's original 14-inch wheels and 185 tyres was to rekindle some playful, on-limit behaviour. The Tiga tyres originally fitted certainly delivered on the playful bit but while skids at 15mph in the rain are all well and good I was a little concerned about, you know, being able to stop and stuff.

As pressures soared grip dropped - shucks
As pressures soared grip dropped - shucks
Hence the middle ground idea of some harder compound eco tyres with big brand quality and notions of stopping power while hopefully still with a bit of adjustability. My initial impressions of the Sport BluResponses I was supplied with by Dunlop was that they were good but possibly a bit too good. The Eunos feels beautifully balanced and neutral, with that trademark delicacy to the handling sharpened further with the Performance5 dampers. But there's plenty of grip and you have to be acting like a proper prat to get anything more than that.

Thank Phil at P5's set-up for his part in that that - he boasted of 1G cornering even on rubbish tyres. Which is all well and good but what if you want to act like a proper prat sometimes?

Evicted from garage no choice but to use Eunos
Evicted from garage no choice but to use Eunos
Cue the PH Silverstone Sunday Service and the half-hour track taster sessions Paul and Nathan organised as part of it. I booked the Mazda into the first one of these and didn't really think anything of it beyond clearing out the footwell, attaching the GoPro and putting my helmet on. Only half an hour, no need to faff about with tyre pressures or any of the usual track day stuff...

Only the National Circuit is short and, even at the Mazda's pace, I was racking up a lot of laps. The tyres heated up and with the pressures not dropped in preparation they started to increase. It started with Brooklands becoming less of a left turn and more of a four-wheel drift. Nice. Then a smidge of corrective lock. Nicer still. Then a sense of looseness through Luffield too. By which point I thought I'd better wind my neck in - this was meant to be a beginners' session and I didn't want to get black flagged.

Same tyres for Fiesta, same skidfoolery to follow?
Same tyres for Fiesta, same skidfoolery to follow?
Then I thought sod it and kept going. Brooklands became a steady half a turn of opposite lock and with some determination and provocation I was managing to hold a decent slide most of the way around Luffield. With just over 100hp it takes some work to sustain it - you'll see from the video a lot of lifting and sawing at the wheel - but the transition into oversteer was so predictable and benign I was even relaxed about it starting to slide on turn-in to Copse at 100mph. And the best bit? After all this abuse the tyres are still fine. Fuel saving design with added skidability for idiots? Sounds like the perfect PH tyre!

Meaning I was especially delighted to hear they'd fit on the Shed Fiesta I recently bought for shopping trolley detail. I'm chuckling that it's now on the same rubber as the Mazda. While wondering if there's any way on earth I can get it to perform similar antics...

Track vid here.

Fact sheet:
Car:
 1993 Eunos Roadster (JDM import model)
Run by: Dan Trent
Bought: January 2011
Purchase price: £1,250
Last month at a glance: Skidfoolery at Silverstone proves worth of eco tyre option


Previous reports:
Has Dan killed his Eunos?
The Eunos returns to Scotland for another road trip
Look, I was kidding about the downforce, right?
Why have one wedding car when four will do?
Dan's Eunos loses its horn
Just how many wheels for your wagon?
Wheel refurb goes a bit ... colourful
Dan gets back on track with his Eunos
The answer to everything?
More exhaust noise? Don't mind if I do...

Track photos: Antony Fraser

   
   
   
   


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MonkeySpanker

Original Poster:

319 posts

166 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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I can see you smiling even with your helmet on smile

Beefmeister

16,482 posts

259 months

Ruffy94

229 posts

165 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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Ive had the Dunlop Sport BluResponses on my mk1 for 1-2 months, have to agree that they felt a bit 'too good' at first, but definitely really confidence inspiring on the road day to day. It's still on standard suspension though, have to get it on track when I finally decide on a better set up!

HorneyMX5

5,750 posts

179 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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We could hear you all the way across the carpark, sounded fun. smile

cjgreaves41

106 posts

184 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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Looks great! I put a smaller Momo wheel on mine rather than the large diameter think rimmed one that is standard. Makes a massive difference to the steering feel

KernowSid

296 posts

176 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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Had the same tyres fitted to my mk1 mx5 for a couple of months, replacing Toyo T1R's.

Massive improvement on the road, especially coming off wet roundabouts.

Used them on track at Snetterton, really grippy, was really impressed, but they are too grippy for sliding about.

JamesHayward

655 posts

193 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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As I said when you first showed me the vid, come on a drift day with us. You will love it!

renaultgeek

473 posts

177 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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these seem to be getting good reviews across the board for the mx5.

I think my next step is to switch the fronts and rears on mine so the generic polish brand tyres I have wear quicker.


JDMDrifter

4,063 posts

194 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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Would love an MX5 but insurance even with 1 year ncb is still coming out around £1k. I just cant justify that cost banghead

iloveboost

1,531 posts

191 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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I agree that these Dunlop 'Bluresponse' tyres are surprisingly good. They seem to have good feel, are forgiving and grip well in the wet. Also a bit quieter than some tyres I think.

Garett

1,680 posts

221 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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I was seriously considering these on my MX5 but elected for Michelin PS3 in the end, not managed to unstick them yet and rightly so they are super grippy on an LSD equipped '5!
The Dunlop look seriously good VFM and you seem to be enjoying yourself!

st24kane

4 posts

180 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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anyone think these will be nice on an mr2 roadster? considering potenza re002's, but may be swayed on the opinion of someone with a bit more knowledge. basically after a nice progressive tyre that doesn't grip too much, but still has nice feel and directness. considered sticky stuff, but every time the back kicks out it changes my mind. (currently on crud winter tyres atm. horrendous things!)

Krikkit

27,938 posts

210 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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I was looking at the same issue for my Mk.1 the other day, anyone tried the Goodyear Efficientgrip? They're <£50 a corner fitted now, which makes them somewhat of a bargain!

SturdyHSV

10,443 posts

196 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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Krikkit said:
I was looking at the same issue for my Mk.1 the other day, anyone tried the Goodyear Efficientgrip? They're <£50 a corner fitted now, which makes them somewhat of a bargain!
Not that relevant, but I have them on a GTV V6 and it has appreciably less grip than what was on there before, it now wheelspins a little into second in fact. The previous tyres being quite old goodyear eagles.

Krikkit

27,938 posts

210 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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SturdyHSV said:
Krikkit said:
I was looking at the same issue for my Mk.1 the other day, anyone tried the Goodyear Efficientgrip? They're <£50 a corner fitted now, which makes them somewhat of a bargain!
Not that relevant, but I have them on a GTV V6 and it has appreciably less grip than what was on there before, it now wheelspins a little into second in fact. The previous tyres being quite old goodyear eagles.
How is it in the wet? Outright grip isn't a particular concern, but predictable grip would be nice. Just bought the car and it came with a pair of rather worn Marangoni Zeta's on the rear - I needed an armful of oppo pottering round a damp roundabout at 20mph the other day! Yet in the dry they're about right.

SturdyHSV

10,443 posts

196 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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Krikkit said:
How is it in the wet? Outright grip isn't a particular concern, but predictable grip would be nice. Just bought the car and it came with a pair of rather worn Marangoni Zeta's on the rear - I needed an armful of oppo pottering round a damp roundabout at 20mph the other day! Yet in the dry they're about right.
I've driven it so little in the wet since the tyres went on there ( admittedly that was in August yikes ) I'm in no position to comment with any authority really, sorry frown

Krikkit

27,938 posts

210 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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SturdyHSV said:
I've driven it so little in the wet since the tyres went on there ( admittedly that was in August yikes ) I'm in no position to comment with any authority really, sorry frown
Thanks anyway! (And yes, that's a shame. GTV6 is on my list of must-own cars.)

V8RX7

28,982 posts

292 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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I fitted the BluResponse to my wife's Mazda6 Sport.

They replaced the Admirals it came on (as a used car) - they transformed it - they are quiet, grip well and gave higher mpg - very impressed with them

bozzy101

506 posts

168 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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JDMDrifter said:
Would love an MX5 but insurance even with 1 year ncb is still coming out around £1k. I just cant justify that cost banghead
I insured mine on a classic policy through RH insurance. This was as a secondary car (so no no-claims) and it cost me less than £200 a year. Included breakdown cover too! I think it was limited to 5k a year.

bicycleshorts

1,939 posts

190 months

Thursday 17th April 2014
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I don't recommend Uniroyal Rainsports for adventurous mx5 track day driving. This was a set of nearly new ones after 2 hours at Spa.



Never had the same issue with T1Rs nor the high quality tyres we replaced them with, from the other car, to finish the track day (2xTalon, 1 Michelin and 1 "unknown").