number of owners for a 964
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Why not look at it another way:
Car has been bought and sold every 18 months therefore it's had a new and enthusiastic owner every 18 months who's not been afraid to spent money on it.
Every 18 months the car has been inspected twice thoroughly by a new discerning buyer plus maybe a garage if it's sold to the trade.
Much harder to clock a multiple owner car as if you have it from new it's easy to wind back the miles before each mot, unlikely 8 owners will do this.
My dick has 8 previous owners and is immaculate etc. I've also spoken to many of the previous owners who've sold becasue they've moved onto the next thing.
Car has been bought and sold every 18 months therefore it's had a new and enthusiastic owner every 18 months who's not been afraid to spent money on it.
Every 18 months the car has been inspected twice thoroughly by a new discerning buyer plus maybe a garage if it's sold to the trade.
Much harder to clock a multiple owner car as if you have it from new it's easy to wind back the miles before each mot, unlikely 8 owners will do this.
My dick has 8 previous owners and is immaculate etc. I've also spoken to many of the previous owners who've sold becasue they've moved onto the next thing.
Remember several of those changes of 'ownership' could have been putting the car onto a private plate then taking it off again, or the owner buying the car from his employer (if it was being run as a company car etc.). So it's quite possible your 8 owners could actually only be 4 or 5. Either way, condition is more important - esp with a 964. Make sure it's had the right bits done - I'm sure you know what they are....
Jamie
Jamie
Well I feel sick !! Ive only gone and put a deposit on it 
Im bloody useless I forgot everything I was gonna do and check. Did spend time over the documents though. lots of reciepts.
good points
Lower wishbones replaced as have clutch and fly wheel. and distributer caps? 91 year manufacture so better protection against oil leaks. 2 previous independant inspections and service a few thousand miles ago.
Bad points
Not a lot of life left in the tyres. and a few marks in the paint 3 big stone chips on bonnet white carpets quite dirty and only origonal stereo in it.
Sevice history but only the first 2 at Main dealers rest at specialist JZ being one.
I new Id buy the first one I drove drives superb rubish turning circle though.
only fly in the ointment is the black one I was after that the owner decided he wasnt going to sell after all e-mailed me while I was out looking at this one saying that he would in fact sell it bah I really wanted a black one
Im bloody useless I forgot everything I was gonna do and check. Did spend time over the documents though. lots of reciepts.
good points
Lower wishbones replaced as have clutch and fly wheel. and distributer caps? 91 year manufacture so better protection against oil leaks. 2 previous independant inspections and service a few thousand miles ago.
Bad points
Not a lot of life left in the tyres. and a few marks in the paint 3 big stone chips on bonnet white carpets quite dirty and only origonal stereo in it.
Sevice history but only the first 2 at Main dealers rest at specialist JZ being one.
I new Id buy the first one I drove
drives superb rubish turning circle though. only fly in the ointment is the black one I was after that the owner decided he wasnt going to sell after all e-mailed me while I was out looking at this one saying that he would in fact sell it bah I really wanted a black one
Hasty...sorry I mean Pesty It all sounds fairly confusing!
buying your 1st 911 should be an enjoyable experience, it makes sense to find the right car.
the service history sounds ok and the turning circle is hopeless until the 996 came along.
the one you have just looked at i hope you have factored in the tyres required into your pricing? stone chops on a 13 year old car is expected,,,really heavy stone chips can indicate heavy track use.
i assume you have checked the black car out properly rather than wanting it because of it's colour.
assuming it is the one,,maybe it makes sense to ask the seller to come down by the ammount of the deposit you stand to lose?
Don't rush it makes sense to spend time looking for a decent car now rather than beating your wallet later..good luck,,
It all sounds fairly confusing! buying your 1st 911 should be an enjoyable experience, it makes sense to find the right car.
the service history sounds ok and the turning circle is hopeless until the 996 came along.
the one you have just looked at i hope you have factored in the tyres required into your pricing? stone chops on a 13 year old car is expected,,,really heavy stone chips can indicate heavy track use.
i assume you have checked the black car out properly rather than wanting it because of it's colour.
assuming it is the one,,maybe it makes sense to ask the seller to come down by the ammount of the deposit you stand to lose?
Don't rush it makes sense to spend time looking for a decent car now rather than beating your wallet later..good luck,,
Yeah this owner put a private plate on and took it off. As I understand it that effectivly adds 2 more owners to the list? Didnt realise that never dealt with private plates beofore.
Car is a 92 registered Cobolt blue ,964 C4, linnen leather with 18 inch turbo alloys.
still feel sick tell me Ive done the right thing so I can sleep tonight! tell me it will never brake down and I will live happily ever after
Lie if you must I will feel better
>> Edited by pesty on Tuesday 30th November 16:09
Car is a 92 registered Cobolt blue ,964 C4, linnen leather with 18 inch turbo alloys.
still feel sick
tell me Ive done the right thing so I can sleep tonight! tell me it will never brake down and I will live happily ever after Lie if you must I will feel better
>> Edited by pesty on Tuesday 30th November 16:09
High clubsport.
I have been talking to the owner of the black one over about 6 weeks now.
I havnt seen the car as he was on off as to whether he was going to sell it.(complications I wont go into on here) b
The blue car Ive put a deposit down on feels right. I realise I am well out of my deapth in mechanicle knowlage on these beasts but all appears as it should be.
There are 3 large chips on the bonnet where it looks like one single large stone has rolled up it and been touched up. Not an expert but the bonnet i belive will need re painting at some point in the future cos it will bug me. the rest of the car is origonal and has the expected amount of little marks but relativly few chips. the paint looks to be "old" and dosnt appear to have been re painted.
I did manage to reduce his asking price by over 1k using the tyres and chips etc as a bargaining tool. mind you he could have put it up for 1k more than its worth but it seems right looking at all teh ones ive seen over the last few months.
All the old MOTs corespond with the 66k miles as do the service history.
The engine sounded wonderful no rattles and abolutely clear exhaust gasses at tickover its the mehcanicle parts that impressed me thats why I wasnt put off too much about teh carpets and stone chips.
Hasty964 should be my new name as for enjoyable experience well a) im a Yorkshireman and spending money brings me out in a cold sweat. b) I am spending money I have been saving up for years for such a purpose (see a) c) Im spening around 40% of what my house cost 6 yeras ago just on a car. difficult for me thats why Im worried . but worrying is what I'm good at.
>> Edited by pesty on Tuesday 30th November 16:56
I have been talking to the owner of the black one over about 6 weeks now.
I havnt seen the car as he was on off as to whether he was going to sell it.(complications I wont go into on here) b
The blue car Ive put a deposit down on feels right. I realise I am well out of my deapth in mechanicle knowlage on these beasts but all appears as it should be.
There are 3 large chips on the bonnet where it looks like one single large stone has rolled up it and been touched up. Not an expert but the bonnet i belive will need re painting at some point in the future cos it will bug me. the rest of the car is origonal and has the expected amount of little marks but relativly few chips. the paint looks to be "old" and dosnt appear to have been re painted.
I did manage to reduce his asking price by over 1k using the tyres and chips etc as a bargaining tool. mind you he could have put it up for 1k more than its worth but it seems right looking at all teh ones ive seen over the last few months.
All the old MOTs corespond with the 66k miles as do the service history.
The engine sounded wonderful no rattles and abolutely clear exhaust gasses at tickover its the mehcanicle parts that impressed me thats why I wasnt put off too much about teh carpets and stone chips.
Hasty964 should be my new name
as for enjoyable experience well a) im a Yorkshireman and spending money brings me out in a cold sweat. b) I am spending money I have been saving up for years for such a purpose (see a) c) Im spening around 40% of what my house cost 6 yeras ago just on a car. difficult for me thats why Im worried . but worrying is what I'm good at. >> Edited by pesty on Tuesday 30th November 16:56
If it makes you feel better, I've been dreaming of a 911 for years and I too bought the first one I looked at...
...OK time to get honest here, aside the picture in Autotrader, I didn't even look at it - I had an inspection done and then agreed a deal over the phone before going to pick it up with a bankers draft already made out and no alternative lift home!
As it turns out I think I've got a corker and couldn't be more chuffed with it - long may we all be members of the Porker fraternity!
Enjoy!
...OK time to get honest here, aside the picture in Autotrader, I didn't even look at it - I had an inspection done and then agreed a deal over the phone before going to pick it up with a bankers draft already made out and no alternative lift home!
As it turns out I think I've got a corker and couldn't be more chuffed with it - long may we all be members of the Porker fraternity!
Enjoy!
66k miles - how much did you pay for the car? Seems very low mileage for what is a very useable (and therefore used) 911...does it have all the MOTs and do they look genuine? JZ ought to be able to vouch for the car too - I'd check it out with them first before parting with the rest of the money. If they say it's good, then buy it.
I once owned a 3.2 Carrera Cab - it had a whole bunch of owners in the book - I traced them all - incorrectly handled plate changes accounted for 4 of them (yes, the DVLA can and do cock this up) and the rest?....the car was used sparingly in the mid '80s, just when cars were climbing in value and consequently it was sold on as an investment several times. One owner chopped it in for a Merc SL, disliked that car and bought his old one back from the dealer(which required a reissue of the logbook and the number of previous keepers rose again!!!).
It cost me £5 to have the DVLA send me copies of all previously issued logbooks - I realise this is not really practical before buying a car, but I have also had some success before in copying the previous owner's name from the logbook and tracing him through Directory Enquiries (saved me buying a Merc that had been to the moon and back....although its mileometer told a very different story).
I once owned a 3.2 Carrera Cab - it had a whole bunch of owners in the book - I traced them all - incorrectly handled plate changes accounted for 4 of them (yes, the DVLA can and do cock this up) and the rest?....the car was used sparingly in the mid '80s, just when cars were climbing in value and consequently it was sold on as an investment several times. One owner chopped it in for a Merc SL, disliked that car and bought his old one back from the dealer(which required a reissue of the logbook and the number of previous keepers rose again!!!).
It cost me £5 to have the DVLA send me copies of all previously issued logbooks - I realise this is not really practical before buying a car, but I have also had some success before in copying the previous owner's name from the logbook and tracing him through Directory Enquiries (saved me buying a Merc that had been to the moon and back....although its mileometer told a very different story).
pesty said:
Well I feel sick !! Ive only gone and put a deposit on it
Im bloody useless I forgot everything I was gonna do and check. Did spend time over the documents though. lots of reciepts.
good points
Lower wishbones replaced as have clutch and fly wheel. and distributer caps? 91 year manufacture so better protection against oil leaks. 2 previous independant inspections and service a few thousand miles ago.
Bad points
Not a lot of life left in the tyres. and a few marks in the paint 3 big stone chips on bonnet white carpets quite dirty and only origonal stereo in it.
Sevice history but only the first 2 at Main dealers rest at specialist JZ being one.
I new Id buy the first one I drove
only fly in the ointment is the black one I was after that the owner decided he wasnt going to sell after all e-mailed me while I was out looking at this one saying that he would in fact sell it bah I really wanted a black one
Unless you are contractually commited to it you should have it inspected by an independent expert. Don't be seduced by paintwork, exhaust growl, gleaming paintwork get someone who knows to check it out. Things like a cylinder leakage test are vital otherwise 'big bilz R U'
If you need advice on who to use post asking for a local expert either on here or on the guest sections of the porsche Club forum or Titanic or DDK etc.
I bought mine with a known engine problem (at the right price) The rebuild cost was £4k so be warned.
Having said that get a good un and enjoy!
PS Just looked and you are in Shropshire. I'm in Staffs and there is a guy I can recommend. If you wish send me an email and I'll supply the details
>> Edited by davrian on Thursday 2nd December 06:40
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