Does this dog thing annoy anyone else as much as me?!?
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Jasandjules said:
I am getting mightily peeved when I constantly see "my X dog" - insert combination of two breeds here..
And there seem to be more and more random matings like this too.
No, it's a f***ng mongrel.. Unless and until it is recognised by the KC..
And there seem to be more and more random matings like this too.
No, it's a f***ng mongrel.. Unless and until it is recognised by the KC..
Its just an excuse by breeders to sell off the accidents.Jasandjules said:
I am getting mightily peeved when I constantly see "my X dog" - insert combination of two breeds here..
And there seem to be more and more random matings like this too.
No, it's a f***ng mongrel.. Unless and until it is recognised by the KC..
My OH (vet nurse) hates this, and get properly irate about people calling their spaniel cross a "sproker spaniel" for example. I don't think it's a problem really, but do think they look stupid if they try and pass it off as a breed. Most people know what a labradoodle is, so no harm in calling your dog that. My pooch is a JRT x Patterdale - it's been known for people to call them patterjacks, which is something I do not do!And there seem to be more and more random matings like this too.
No, it's a f***ng mongrel.. Unless and until it is recognised by the KC..
When I think it gets out of hand is when breeders will sell crossbreeds/mongrels as "desinger dogs". A friend of mine paid in excess of £1k for a s
t szu x maltese. Crazy!krunchkin said:
Sprocker, not Sproker, Spaniels have been bred for centuries by gamekeepers and others who need working dogs as they combine the best aspects of both breeds. They are also widely used and valued as search dogs - so not the best example to pick to be honest.
Yeah, but they are still crossbreeds. Like I said, I don't have an issue with it as I know what people are talking about, but when prople try and pass off their cross as a special breed of dog it just looks silly. A Sprocker Spaniel is cross between Springer and Cocker, as a Labradoodle is Labrador/Poodle. Just because it's a useful mix that people have been doing for years, doesn't make it a breed of dog, it's still a cross.TheBALDpuma said:
krunchkin said:
Sprocker, not Sproker, Spaniels have been bred for centuries by gamekeepers and others who need working dogs as they combine the best aspects of both breeds. They are also widely used and valued as search dogs - so not the best example to pick to be honest.
Yeah, but they are still crossbreeds. Like I said, I don't have an issue with it as I know what people are talking about, but when prople try and pass off their cross as a special breed of dog it just looks silly. A Sprocker Spaniel is cross between Springer and Cocker, as a Labradoodle is Labrador/Poodle. Just because it's a useful mix that people have been doing for years, doesn't make it a breed of dog, it's still a cross.Hooli said:
TheBALDpuma said:
krunchkin said:
Sprocker, not Sproker, Spaniels have been bred for centuries by gamekeepers and others who need working dogs as they combine the best aspects of both breeds. They are also widely used and valued as search dogs - so not the best example to pick to be honest.
Yeah, but they are still crossbreeds. Like I said, I don't have an issue with it as I know what people are talking about, but when prople try and pass off their cross as a special breed of dog it just looks silly. A Sprocker Spaniel is cross between Springer and Cocker, as a Labradoodle is Labrador/Poodle. Just because it's a useful mix that people have been doing for years, doesn't make it a breed of dog, it's still a cross.
No idea, the point is people trying to pass off their mutt as a special fancy breed of dog when it's not. They can call it whatever they like, just don't pretend it's something special.
I think it's now become fashionable to have a X breed dog, which in turn means more and more of them are bred so people can make a few quid.
I have a friend who does some dog training and advice work and she told me about a woman in a block of flats in Salford trying to breed teacup terrier/Chihuahuas because she thought 'people like both, I'll charge £600 each'. They all had defects with their spines!
Not the best output for people's creativity really.
I have a friend who does some dog training and advice work and she told me about a woman in a block of flats in Salford trying to breed teacup terrier/Chihuahuas because she thought 'people like both, I'll charge £600 each'. They all had defects with their spines!
Not the best output for people's creativity really.
Some Gump said:
Who made you the arbitrator of dogs?
It's their dog. They can call it what they like.
I am a responsible breeder. I ensure all relevant health tests are undertaken and I improve the breed. I am a dog lover. I expect others to do the same as me for the health and wellbeing of the creatures they create.It's their dog. They can call it what they like.
Randomly mating two untested dogs for no discernible reason (bear in mind other breeds were created for a purpose) without health tests is inappropriate in my view..
I am guessing you have one.
I'd argue that whilst for you as an induvidual those values may hold true, that to the kennel club they don't. By seeking to enhance the extremities of the characteristics of pure dogs, a significant number of animals have inferior health due to the actions of others in your industry.
As a result, i don't agree with you on your stance that pure dogs, and the breeders that breed them are by definition superior to all cross breeds and the breeders that breed them. iMO there are bad breeders on both sides of the line.
That wasn't my original point though. IMO trying to define what someone else is allowed to call their pet is about as valid as the hardcore in caterham circles who say anything non factory isn't a proper superlight or whatever. It's just gash.
As a result, i don't agree with you on your stance that pure dogs, and the breeders that breed them are by definition superior to all cross breeds and the breeders that breed them. iMO there are bad breeders on both sides of the line.
That wasn't my original point though. IMO trying to define what someone else is allowed to call their pet is about as valid as the hardcore in caterham circles who say anything non factory isn't a proper superlight or whatever. It's just gash.
Some Gump said:
I'd argue that whilst for you as an induvidual those values may hold true, that to the kennel club they don't. .
These mongrels are not KC registered. The KC has an assured breeder scheme and mate select (to seek to ensure lower COI), whether that is sufficient is another question entirely.
However you are correct, there are hopeless breeders of pedigree dogs too.
"hybrid vigour"
I have a pedigree dog myself, so I'm not going to get on my high horse about it, but I think pedigree dog breeders are chucking stones from a glass house if they are going to complain about cross breeding on genetic health grounds. I think it's highly likely that even first generation crosses are less likely to suffer health issues than pure breeds.
If a thing is common enough that giving it a name makes it easier to communicate what it is, why not? Having a word for a specific cross between two pedigree breeds is nothing more than that.
I have a pedigree dog myself, so I'm not going to get on my high horse about it, but I think pedigree dog breeders are chucking stones from a glass house if they are going to complain about cross breeding on genetic health grounds. I think it's highly likely that even first generation crosses are less likely to suffer health issues than pure breeds.
If a thing is common enough that giving it a name makes it easier to communicate what it is, why not? Having a word for a specific cross between two pedigree breeds is nothing more than that.
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