Hypothetical drink driving
Discussion
Was asked this question the other day and I'm not sure what I would do.
Brother is a heavy drinker can spend £200pw. He works for a company driving excavators, and during breaks goes for a "quick pint" then drives home before either 6-8 cans at home or a few hours in the local. If he wasn't related I would report him immediately. What would you do? report him as he his breaking the law or turn a blind eye as he's your brother?
Dan
Brother is a heavy drinker can spend £200pw. He works for a company driving excavators, and during breaks goes for a "quick pint" then drives home before either 6-8 cans at home or a few hours in the local. If he wasn't related I would report him immediately. What would you do? report him as he his breaking the law or turn a blind eye as he's your brother?
Dan
Presume you "think" he is drink driving and it isn't the case of a strange by-law in his area regarding drinking in pubs/home?
If you are sure he is then do everyone a favour and report him.
I'm astonished that you actually have to think about it.
On the other hand - a quick pint does not necessarily put someone over the limit.
danwins said:
Was asked this question the other day and I'm not sure what I would do.
Brother is a heavy drinker can spend £200pw. He works for a company driving excavators, and during breaks goes for a "quick pint" then drives home before either 6-8 cans at home or a few hours in the local. If he wasn't related I would report him immediately. What would you do? report him as he his breaking the law or turn a blind eye as he's your brother?
Dan
What are you reporting him for? If he has a pint or two during work, is he over the limit? If he drinks when either at home or in the pub or both in the evening, is he over the limit the next day. How do you know?Brother is a heavy drinker can spend £200pw. He works for a company driving excavators, and during breaks goes for a "quick pint" then drives home before either 6-8 cans at home or a few hours in the local. If he wasn't related I would report him immediately. What would you do? report him as he his breaking the law or turn a blind eye as he's your brother?
Dan
So now we are reporting others, because they drink at different times of the day or amounts than we do?
£200.00 on booze a week is a heck of alot, but I know others that easily spend that figure. But that's up to them, and absolutly none of my business.
twing said:
I'd buy him a breathalyser as a hint. What time does he drive in the morning? Eight cans, last one at 10pm I'm guessing he'd blow clear at 9am?
As he drives excavators I'd be surprised if he keeps office hours. More like 7.30am I expect, and driving to get there before that.excavators... As in huge big things that have tracks and are not on the road ever?
Are you reporting him to his work then as its not a police issue, its a work issue since its on private land.
His work will or should do random alochol testing on people who dive heavy machinary, so I assume he passes this somehow?
Are you reporting him to his work then as its not a police issue, its a work issue since its on private land.
His work will or should do random alochol testing on people who dive heavy machinary, so I assume he passes this somehow?
As someone who manages excavators and works near them, if any driver drinks anything alcoholic during breaks (no matter how little) he's sacked on the spot. No ifs, no buts, no maybes. I expect every single person on site will support me, including the driver's friends. That's for starters.
If he's over the limit on the road then he deserves no favours, brother or not. If you can tell him then great. If you can't then report provided you have genuine grounds for concern, which you apparently do.
It sounds harsh but why should he have treatment any different to the rest of the population?
If he's over the limit on the road then he deserves no favours, brother or not. If you can tell him then great. If you can't then report provided you have genuine grounds for concern, which you apparently do.
It sounds harsh but why should he have treatment any different to the rest of the population?
[quote=Rovinghawk]As someone who manages excavators and works near them, if any driver drinks anything alcoholic during breaks (no matter how little) he's sacked on the spot. No ifs, no buts, no maybes. I expect every single person on site will support me, including the driver's friends. That's for starters.
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Quite. Site safety is paramount, especially with large machinery that can easily kill or maim if used incorrectly. "It's only 1 pint" shouldn't be a defence either, as you do not know the effect a pint has on everybody. A particular driver might have a pint and be particularly sloshed from it.
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Quite. Site safety is paramount, especially with large machinery that can easily kill or maim if used incorrectly. "It's only 1 pint" shouldn't be a defence either, as you do not know the effect a pint has on everybody. A particular driver might have a pint and be particularly sloshed from it.
ok, a bit vague on the scenario.
mon - fri 2-3 pints at work drives home has 4-6 cans/bottles
Sat visits family goes out gets hammered sleeps on fathers sofa
Sun goes to local for carvery, few more pints then drives home.
Or simply, would you report him to work/police for drink driving.
I would like to think I would report him, but not having a brother I don't know
mon - fri 2-3 pints at work drives home has 4-6 cans/bottles
Sat visits family goes out gets hammered sleeps on fathers sofa
Sun goes to local for carvery, few more pints then drives home.
Or simply, would you report him to work/police for drink driving.
I would like to think I would report him, but not having a brother I don't know
If it was my brother I would warn him that he is probably driving over the limit sometimes and heard they were doing a local crack down so he should take care. Know he likes a drink but he needs his car and license for work etc. so you are just looking out for him. I’d probably get him one of those mini breathalysers so he can check himself too as he might not know he is over the limit.
danwins said:
ok, a bit vague on the scenario.
mon - fri 2-3 pints at work drives home has 4-6 cans/bottles
Or simply, would you report him to work/police for drink driving.
For work, without question. It'll take them no time at all to establish truth or not & you might save some poor sod from an excavator bucket through the skull.mon - fri 2-3 pints at work drives home has 4-6 cans/bottles
Or simply, would you report him to work/police for drink driving.
For driving, if you think he's over the limit then again have no question, brother or not. How would you feel if someone else's brother drunkenly crashed into your wife/kids/friends? If he's innocent then fine because you had genuine reason to suspect, if guilty then fine because he'll be removed from being a risk to others.
It's harsh but necessary IMHO.
anonymous said:
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Would have thought the same.Have a friend who is project manager on the Trains and he has a similar system, matters not that he is behind a desk, management do random drugs and alcohol tests on their employees, in case he has to go on site at any point during the day.
He can have only one to one and a half pints onm a school night and thats his limit or he could lose the job.
As a Site Manager, I'd put him off my site. I wouldn't be having him endangering his workmates, himself or me.
If he then proceeded to drive himself home, I'd call the cops on suspicion of driving whilst under the influence.
On larger sites I've been on, not as site manager though, they've had an OH nurse to help determine such things if required.
If he then proceeded to drive himself home, I'd call the cops on suspicion of driving whilst under the influence.
On larger sites I've been on, not as site manager though, they've had an OH nurse to help determine such things if required.
Willy Holloughby said:
Is this him?
on the day that happened , about 2 hours after the accident . I was on the other side of the carriage way doing some live mapping on my car , looked up from the laptop and had a s
t me pants moment as the idiot rubber neckers almost stopped to try and view the carnage on the other side of the road.I know I know , should have been concentrating on the road etc etc
eta I wouldn't grass up my brother but would try to talk some sense into him
dingg said:
on the day that happened , about 2 hours after the accident . I was on the other side of the carriage way doing some live mapping on my car , looked up from the laptop and had a st me pants moment as the idiot rubber neckers almost stopped to try and view the carnage on the other side of the road.
I know I know , should have been concentrating on the road etc etc
eta I wouldn't grass up my brother but would try to talk some sense into him
Are you serious?t me pants moment as the idiot rubber neckers almost stopped to try and view the carnage on the other side of the road.I know I know , should have been concentrating on the road etc etc
eta I wouldn't grass up my brother but would try to talk some sense into him
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