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Anyone here going to any of launches around the country tomorrow?
I am away on business, but will check it out on line and have a look next week.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=101520...
I am away on business, but will check it out on line and have a look next week.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=101520...
talkssense said:
Would be cheaper and easier just to move the sofa.Westy Carl said:
Nice but £6k wow! (however I guess thats cheap for B&O)
For an individually calibrated 55"4k panel, proper speakers (you have to hear them to appreciate how good they are) picture processing and light monitoring that don't exist anywhere else, WISA support, integrated AV processor and surround module, the ability to select different speaker groups for different types of viewing, or from different parts of the room, the ability to configure multiple viewing positions, the ability to preset specific picture and sound settings for each of the 6 HDMI inputs and the TV tuner and the integrated spotify and the integrated deeper and youtube, a space in the back of the set to hide an Apple TV, and the ability to control six seperate peripherals via the one remote.I doubt you could currently do the same to the same standard for much less, and it would be nowhere near as elegant.
I expected it to be nearer £15k, so have ordered one on the fancy table stand
Lets hope it is backlit and not edge lit, and has local dimming.
I like B&O stuff, I think many knock it without ever having listened or viewed it. Because it looks funky it is written off by many.
Good stuff that does everything you could ever want, but you have to pay for it, but good on them for standing their ground.
I don't really get the moving stand etc. and I do have a big room as well where it could be useful, but seems a bit OTT.
I like B&O stuff, I think many knock it without ever having listened or viewed it. Because it looks funky it is written off by many.
Good stuff that does everything you could ever want, but you have to pay for it, but good on them for standing their ground.
I don't really get the moving stand etc. and I do have a big room as well where it could be useful, but seems a bit OTT.
talkssense said:
I doubt you could currently do the same to the same standard for much less, and it would be nowhere near as elegant.
No and yes. No, you could do much, much better for the cash and yes, it wouldn't be as elegant. If you want one box to do pretty much anything then there's not much competition for a product like this, but with £6k in your back pocket you could massively out perform it. OK I haven't seen it but there are limitations such a design carries by default.B&O do some cool stuff but it's very marmite. Personally I'd choose performance over fancy style and go the extra mile to install it so the aesthetic result is similar.
ASK1974 said:
No and yes. No, you could do much, much better for the cash and yes, it wouldn't be as elegant. If you want one box to do pretty much anything then there's not much competition for a product like this, but with £6k in your back pocket you could massively out perform it. OK I haven't seen it but there are limitations such a design carries by default.
B&O do some cool stuff but it's very marmite. Personally I'd choose performance over fancy style and go the extra mile to install it so the aesthetic result is similar.
I do agree that £6000 on an LCD is stupid, as LCD by its very nature is a flawed display type. However, it could be a direct backlit ips panel with more zones than we have ever seen before, which could turn it into something that is pretty good. B&O do some cool stuff but it's very marmite. Personally I'd choose performance over fancy style and go the extra mile to install it so the aesthetic result is similar.
However, that is expensive to do, and I reckon for a grand more OLED could have been used and that would have been worth £7-8000.
My guessing though is it will be another mediocre LCD panel, albeit one with decent screen uniformity and a very clean image, but will sound superb and be your compact media hub.
I have always been impressed with the performance of B&O product, they are very hi end in sound and image, they are not like Bose or someone.
I expect to think 'Hmmm, this is going to be all about the looks' and often come away thinking 'yeah, if I had the money I would actually buy that.'
And I am very fussy about my gear. I have a Pioneer Kuro as my main display and a Sony W905 as my TV in the conservatory, and even with the Kuro some of the B&O displays have tempted me away. Problem is you are then caught in the B&O world and every small upgrade is a lot of Money.
One of the reasons I have moved away from meridian, a new pair of rear speakers at £3500, upgrading my 5200 main speakers to 7200s was going to cost me £15000.
That was great when I was an idiot with my money and wasn't thinking about paying my mortgage off in the next 12 years or the fact my pension was now £1800 a month if I wanted to see just £30k a year when I retire. But I am now in my 40's and my priorities have changed.
B&O is great if you have the spare cash for it or you are a nerd who doesn't really do much else in life apart from buy gadgets, but for everyone else it is a pretty hard sell.
I bought some Beolab 6000s off someone on eBay to plug my iphone dock into, and when I got there this guy lived in a small flat above a kebab house, he had dirty clothes all over the place and the room looked like it was last decorated in 1975, yet he had around £50,000 worth of B&O kit in there.
All very strange, but you see it all the time. For some gadgets are everything, they sit on the B&O forums and they are king as they have the top end kit, and that is their life, scrabbling the money together for the next gadget.
I don't suppose it is any different on here, guys with cars worth more than their houses and no thoughts for the future, but if that is your passion and that is what makes you happy then so be it.
But brands like B&O are very clever, and they wouldn't get people sticking with them for so long if the product didn't perform, and it does.
talkssense said:
Yes it's a direct backlit panel, so no edge lighting.
I don't know the exact specs and don't care. The picture is as good as I have ever seen and that's why I've ordered one because of the picture, the sound, the stand and the wireless surround speakers.
The specs say it's edge-lit.I don't know the exact specs and don't care. The picture is as good as I have ever seen and that's why I've ordered one because of the picture, the sound, the stand and the wireless surround speakers.
http://www.bang-olufsen.com/en/picture/beovision-a...
mp3manager said:
They also say "local backlight dimming" whatever that is?Like I said above, who cares as long as the end result is as good as it is?
Technology purchases have become a rediculous situation where people make decisions without even seeing and comparing products based on a tick list of specs.
Apparently, my mates phone is better than mine because it has a camera with a stupidly high number of megapixels. The lens is still plastic and scratched, and the sensor is pants, but he's convinced.
Surely people can really only pass comment on a phone, TV, Camera, loudspeaker etc if they have used it, seen it, and heard it.
talkssense said:
mp3manager said:
There's absolutely no way on this earth, that I'd pay £6k for an LCD panel....even if it is 4k.
You have seen it then in the 24 hours since it was launched?What didn't you like about it?
talkssense said:
They also say "local backlight dimming" whatever that is?
Like I said above, who cares as long as the end result is as good as it is?
Technology purchases have become a rediculous situation where people make decisions without even seeing and comparing products based on a tick list of specs.
Apparently, my mates phone is better than mine because it has a camera with a stupidly high number of megapixels. The lens is still plastic and scratched, and the sensor is pants, but he's convinced.
Surely people can really only pass comment on a phone, TV, Camera, loudspeaker etc if they have used it, seen it, and heard it.
Yeah, but you could argue you are doing the same. You never really know how a TV performs until you get it home in your room, watching it at the angle you watch it at and in the light you watch it at. Like I said above, who cares as long as the end result is as good as it is?
Technology purchases have become a rediculous situation where people make decisions without even seeing and comparing products based on a tick list of specs.
Apparently, my mates phone is better than mine because it has a camera with a stupidly high number of megapixels. The lens is still plastic and scratched, and the sensor is pants, but he's convinced.
Surely people can really only pass comment on a phone, TV, Camera, loudspeaker etc if they have used it, seen it, and heard it.
Edge lit panels by their very nature are going to have some issues, the local dimming will hide some of those issues but there will be issues because of the way that panel is lit.
LCD also by its very design will never truly do an image justice in the same way a decent plasma or OLED can either.
Nice to see that B&O have gone with a matte screen though. All these glossy screens are crap, the one thing that annoys me about the W905A Sony.
Don't get me wrong, my Sony W905 with its edge lit local dimming wows me at times.
But then if I watch my 5 year old Pioneer Kuro I see that it is still a compromise, not one that would stop me owning the Sony, but does make me realise that LCD won't ever be truly reference as it can't do certain things.
LCD does some things much better than plasma, bright scenes for a start, but yet to see one that can handle dark area detail properly, but they can't as they have a backlight, so it will always be either crushed or washed out in that area.
Panasonic have just released an IPS backlit panel with local dimming, and I look forward to seeing that, that could be something pretty special, and may get round the issues with both edge lit local dimming and VA type panels in one go.
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