Van Halen, not so great
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Start of Panama, playing the arpeggios with pinch harmonics, is that an unmuted G string I hear flapping away?
Oh dear!
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B2r8qpf2Paw
Oh dear!
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B2r8qpf2Paw
br d said:
Listened several times, I can't hear it. Although to be fair I'd never heard that song before, might need a bit more listening.
At 28 seconds precisely: "twang!"http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B2r8qpf2Paw
Edited by Driller on Saturday 10th May 15:49
These kind of things get left in all the time, there is a bum note early in a RHCP song - the first track on Californication I think, you hear Flea hit a half tone lower than he should and then slide it up for a quick correction. Michael Manring left a really obvious one in one of his songs, can't remember the track or the album but it stuck out like a sore thumb every time I heard it - it served as a great reminder that despite how incredible the virtuosity of the music was, it's still a human playing it and humans make errors.
That's what makes some tunes great is the mistakes left in. Now with protools you just copy/paste the buggery out the good takes...
My favourite: The Police - So Lonely
Bass bum note and correction after the key change at 2.53
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fz0DFefft2E
My favourite: The Police - So Lonely
Bass bum note and correction after the key change at 2.53
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fz0DFefft2E
Well I think think the RHCPs are awful musicians at the best of times. They are very sloppy and that singer can't sing in tune. 'orrible.
That police thing doesn't surprise me either, their drummer was awful apparently and Andy Summers may have had a groove but the whole of that solo you're talking about kills me every time with it's mewling, whiny, out of key horribleness!
They should be ashamed of themselves
Van Halen has to be the most surprising though. Could you imagine Mr Vai letting something like that get through?
That police thing doesn't surprise me either, their drummer was awful apparently and Andy Summers may have had a groove but the whole of that solo you're talking about kills me every time with it's mewling, whiny, out of key horribleness!
They should be ashamed of themselves
Van Halen has to be the most surprising though. Could you imagine Mr Vai letting something like that get through?
chevy-stu said:
That's what makes some tunes great is the mistakes left in. Now with protools you just copy/paste the buggery out the good takes...
Um, no it isn't, mistakes are mistakes. That Police track was just s
t, really shoddy.Older recordings might be less clean, you might even be able to hear little hisses and scrapes you couldn't now from instruments, but cocking up and being to lazy to rerecord is pretty bad IMHO.
Driller said:
br d said:
Listened several times, I can't hear it. Although to be fair I'd never heard that song before, might need a bit more listening.
At 28 seconds precisely: "twang!"http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B2r8qpf2Paw
Edited by Driller on Saturday 10th May 15:49
Loads of mileage in this thread, I'm listening for bum notes every where now!
Here's a couple:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5q55yyPDg4
Stray Cats, Rock this Town. Brian Setzer is a guitar god in my eyes, he often recorded in one take so they creep in. At 2:07 a little tiny missed fretting and at 2:40 a lovely "crunk" open string hit.
I'm with Stu on this though, these little glitches just add to the feeling of the song.
And here's another:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQGXa3FiXKM
Smokey, surely the best black male vocalist in history, for me anyway. He did this in one take and there's a lovely wobble at 2:26. I feel a complete s
t for even pointing this out because of the pure brilliance of this performance but in the interests of the thread it has to be done!Christ I just broke an E string playing along to that track, gets me where it hurts.
GoBig said:
I remember watching that live and falling off the chair... 
castex said:
Driller said:
their drummer was awful apparently
No. Just no.
Not many drummers or musicians would agree with that.. Sting and Stewart Copeland allegedly has some issues back in the 80's between themselves regarding tempos but I think they respected each others skills..
Fantuzzi said:
chevy-stu said:
That's what makes some tunes great is the mistakes left in. Now with protools you just copy/paste the buggery out the good takes...
Um, no it isn't, mistakes are mistakes. That Police track was just st, really shoddy.Older recordings might be less clean, you might even be able to hear little hisses and scrapes you couldn't now from instruments, but cocking up and being to lazy to rerecord is pretty bad IMHO.
I heard Tubular Bells recently for the first time in years and the recording and playing is all over the place, but that's part of the charm of some older stuff.
I personally get very bored with the sound of some modern recordings where it's been over compressed, radio and iPod EQ'd, and ProTooled to buggery...
You can hear everything more clearly here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxA4WgIZmO8
fwiw i'm not even sure that can be considered a 'mistake'. Despite his groundbreaking technique, the thing that separates EVH from the countless 80s 'virtuoso' guitarists is that he's a genuine warts and all rock guitarist. There's loose stuff like this in loads of his playing, much like hendrix, page, et al.
fwiw i'm not even sure that can be considered a 'mistake'. Despite his groundbreaking technique, the thing that separates EVH from the countless 80s 'virtuoso' guitarists is that he's a genuine warts and all rock guitarist. There's loose stuff like this in loads of his playing, much like hendrix, page, et al.
chevy-stu said:
Fantuzzi said:
chevy-stu said:
That's what makes some tunes great is the mistakes left in. Now with protools you just copy/paste the buggery out the good takes...
Um, no it isn't, mistakes are mistakes. That Police track was just st, really shoddy.Older recordings might be less clean, you might even be able to hear little hisses and scrapes you couldn't now from instruments, but cocking up and being to lazy to rerecord is pretty bad IMHO.
king up is one of those little priorities I have as a musician.chevy-stu said:
castex said:
Driller said:
their drummer was awful apparently
No. Just no. Not many drummers or musicians would agree with that.. Sting and Stewart Copeland allegedly has some issues back in the 80's between themselves regarding tempos but I think they respected each others skills..
Am I mixing him up with someone else?
drab said:
You can hear everything more clearly here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxA4WgIZmO8
fwiw i'm not even sure that can be considered a 'mistake'. Despite his groundbreaking technique, the thing that separates EVH from the countless 80s 'virtuoso' guitarists is that he's a genuine warts and all rock guitarist. There's loose stuff like this in loads of his playing, much like hendrix, page, et al.
That is definitely a "mistake" and at the least sloppy. Don't get me wrong I really like EVH so was really disappointed to hear this.fwiw i'm not even sure that can be considered a 'mistake'. Despite his groundbreaking technique, the thing that separates EVH from the countless 80s 'virtuoso' guitarists is that he's a genuine warts and all rock guitarist. There's loose stuff like this in loads of his playing, much like hendrix, page, et al.
Driller said:
drab said:
You can hear everything more clearly here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxA4WgIZmO8
fwiw i'm not even sure that can be considered a 'mistake'. Despite his groundbreaking technique, the thing that separates EVH from the countless 80s 'virtuoso' guitarists is that he's a genuine warts and all rock guitarist. There's loose stuff like this in loads of his playing, much like hendrix, page, et al.
That is definitely a "mistake" and at the least sloppy. Don't get me wrong I really like EVH so was really disappointed to hear this.fwiw i'm not even sure that can be considered a 'mistake'. Despite his groundbreaking technique, the thing that separates EVH from the countless 80s 'virtuoso' guitarists is that he's a genuine warts and all rock guitarist. There's loose stuff like this in loads of his playing, much like hendrix, page, et al.
You must be easily disappointed.
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