What Can I Expect - Scamera Revenue Opportunity
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.. for presumably doing 40 in a 30 limit ?
So having enjoyed a Sunday at the Ty Croes circuit Angelsey, a 400m round trip in a day with an early start, I was somewhat disappointed but not suprised by a subsequent smug notice from the Heddlu informing me of a henous crime.
Despite never receiving a fine or points in 25 years of driving (which speaks for itself), and having spied at least 15 mobile cameras en-route, extra caution was applied. It was clear the cameras were positioned at the point most likely to maximise reveune ie end of long straights where overtaking slow traffic was possible after 20 mile queue etc or in my case exiting a small town where 30 limit observed despite being deserted at the early hour only to exit the town & build speed slightly to be flashed as speed increased along a straight into the open countryside which must have still been 30. Why ?
I thought these scamera opportnities had been stopped due to the disrespect and anamosity created by these clear reveunue generators?
So having enjoyed a Sunday at the Ty Croes circuit Angelsey, a 400m round trip in a day with an early start, I was somewhat disappointed but not suprised by a subsequent smug notice from the Heddlu informing me of a henous crime.
Despite never receiving a fine or points in 25 years of driving (which speaks for itself), and having spied at least 15 mobile cameras en-route, extra caution was applied. It was clear the cameras were positioned at the point most likely to maximise reveune ie end of long straights where overtaking slow traffic was possible after 20 mile queue etc or in my case exiting a small town where 30 limit observed despite being deserted at the early hour only to exit the town & build speed slightly to be flashed as speed increased along a straight into the open countryside which must have still been 30. Why ?
I thought these scamera opportnities had been stopped due to the disrespect and anamosity created by these clear reveunue generators?
3pts £100 fine.
You might get offered a driver awareness course.
If you do, I would suggest you decline it.
Based on your first post I don't think you find it beneficial.
BTW.
If you are breaking the speed limit, it's all your own fault.
If you choose to speed then take responsibility for the consequences of your actions.
You might get offered a driver awareness course.
If you do, I would suggest you decline it.
Based on your first post I don't think you find it beneficial.
BTW.
If you are breaking the speed limit, it's all your own fault.
If you choose to speed then take responsibility for the consequences of your actions.
Not sure on what basis you think your are entitled to a review?
Is this because you believe the cameras sole purpose and position is to generate revenue?
I am not aware of any breach of the legislation, you can take it to court if you wish and claim 25 year history of no tickets but I wouldn't advise that.
You may be able to do a speed awareness course therefore avoid the points but I would take it like man if I were you as in court you can get extra points and will end up paying victim surcharge and more fine in all likely-hood.
Is this because you believe the cameras sole purpose and position is to generate revenue?
I am not aware of any breach of the legislation, you can take it to court if you wish and claim 25 year history of no tickets but I wouldn't advise that.
You may be able to do a speed awareness course therefore avoid the points but I would take it like man if I were you as in court you can get extra points and will end up paying victim surcharge and more fine in all likely-hood.
jbsportstech said:
Not sure on what basis you think your are entitled to a review?
He hasn't suggested this, has he?jbsportstech said:
Is this because you believe the cameras sole purpose and position is to generate revenue?
Be fair- it does often seem to be their primary function rather than road safety.Tough titty on getting caught, though- Wales is pretty well known for its pogrom against motorists. It's why I'll never spend any money in their local economy; if everyone else did the same & let them know why then they'd realise the result of their actions.
Rovinghawk said:
jbsportstech said:
Not sure on what basis you think your are entitled to a review?
He hasn't suggested this, has he?jbsportstech said:
Is this because you believe the cameras sole purpose and position is to generate revenue?
Be fair- it does often seem to be their primary function rather than road safety.Tough titty on getting caught, though- Wales is pretty well known for its pogrom against motorists. It's why I'll never spend any money in their local economy; if everyone else did the same & let them know why then they'd realise the result of their actions.
Rovinghawk said:
Exaggeration to express a point of view.
I know, but ridiculous comparisons like that one are (a)ridiculous, and (b) a bit of an insult to people who went through the real thing. The problem with our First World Problems is that they make us forget that we have fairly few problems that are at all serious. Can't drive as fast as we want to? Boo hoo, poor us. Well - my question of points & fine has been answered.
In response to the 'hollier than tho' comments I didn't suggest i was entitled to a review! I was caught & i'll have to pay the fine. I don't like speeding either but you have to be sensible in its enforcement.
My point being there is no subjectivity or reason for the camera at its locations other than to raise money. Of every mobile camera i saw in Wales that day without exception, each was placed exctly where they knew any speeding would occur and NOT due to any legitimate safety reasons that were evident. I did see lots of very poor driving on the day but of course none of this is enforceable with a camera that perhaps a human patrol would have been able to address.
In my own case we had gone through a deserted town as it was early Sunday at 20 mph, the road exited the town into the countryside along a straight road without houses or side roads, reasonably expecting this to have reasonably cleared the 30 zone with just a gradual increase in speed in-line with the road and conditions as we exited. So the camera wasn't in the town, or outside a school, or at a dangerous junction, but along a straight stretch outside the town where they know most people will begin to increase their realworld speed on the exit - easy hit but not dangerous by any stretch.
I do agree this will affect business in Wales, indeed the track Director was encouraging me to organise a track day or event to the circuit, which was indeed excellent & well organised, however, based on what i experienced on the journey, not just my incident, bitter or not, I will be writing to him explaining why he probably won't be getting any further business but wish them all the best.
In response to the 'hollier than tho' comments I didn't suggest i was entitled to a review! I was caught & i'll have to pay the fine. I don't like speeding either but you have to be sensible in its enforcement.
My point being there is no subjectivity or reason for the camera at its locations other than to raise money. Of every mobile camera i saw in Wales that day without exception, each was placed exctly where they knew any speeding would occur and NOT due to any legitimate safety reasons that were evident. I did see lots of very poor driving on the day but of course none of this is enforceable with a camera that perhaps a human patrol would have been able to address.
In my own case we had gone through a deserted town as it was early Sunday at 20 mph, the road exited the town into the countryside along a straight road without houses or side roads, reasonably expecting this to have reasonably cleared the 30 zone with just a gradual increase in speed in-line with the road and conditions as we exited. So the camera wasn't in the town, or outside a school, or at a dangerous junction, but along a straight stretch outside the town where they know most people will begin to increase their realworld speed on the exit - easy hit but not dangerous by any stretch.
I do agree this will affect business in Wales, indeed the track Director was encouraging me to organise a track day or event to the circuit, which was indeed excellent & well organised, however, based on what i experienced on the journey, not just my incident, bitter or not, I will be writing to him explaining why he probably won't be getting any further business but wish them all the best.
Andy JB said:
My point being there is no subjectivity or reason for the camera at its locations other than to raise money. Of every mobile camera i saw in Wales that day without exception, each was placed exctly where they knew any speeding would occur and NOT due to any legitimate safety reasons that were evident. I did see lots of very poor driving on the day but of course none of this is enforceable with a camera that perhaps a human patrol would have been able to address.
Should they be put where no one is likely to speed, dead end streets perhaps?What value anything evident to you, given your failure to notice the speed limit?
Or perhaps you were fully aware and are just having a whinge about getting caught?
pork911 said:
Should they be put where no one is likely to speed, dead end streets perhaps?
What value anything evident to you, given your failure to notice the speed limit?
Or perhaps you were fully aware and are just having a whinge about getting caught?
Well no, they should be put where, if they are an effective life saving tool, they will do just that.What value anything evident to you, given your failure to notice the speed limit?
Or perhaps you were fully aware and are just having a whinge about getting caught?
Catching people speeding doesn't save lives. Stopping people speeding does.* If cameras are catching people speeding, they aren't working, because they aren't preventing people from doing the thing they're there to prevent people doing.
Those cameras which catch zero people are the ones which are saving lives.* Those which catch loads of people are ineffective. If there is a reduction in the number of people killed and or injured in the vicinity of a camera which catches people speeding, then we are forced to presume that speeding doesn't cause death or injuries.
Simon.
- That, of course, is if you believe this sort of thing.
ferrariF50lover said:
pork911 said:
Should they be put where no one is likely to speed, dead end streets perhaps?
What value anything evident to you, given your failure to notice the speed limit?
Or perhaps you were fully aware and are just having a whinge about getting caught?
Well no, they should be put where, if they are an effective life saving tool, they will do just that.What value anything evident to you, given your failure to notice the speed limit?
Or perhaps you were fully aware and are just having a whinge about getting caught?
Catching people speeding doesn't save lives. Stopping people speeding does.* If cameras are catching people speeding, they aren't working, because they aren't preventing people from doing the thing they're there to prevent people doing.
Those cameras which catch zero people are the ones which are saving lives.* Those which catch loads of people are ineffective. If there is a reduction in the number of people killed and or injured in the vicinity of a camera which catches people speeding, then we are forced to presume that speeding doesn't cause death or injuries.
Simon.
- That, of course, is if you believe this sort of thing.
Breadvan72 said:
I know, but ridiculous comparisons like that one are (a)ridiculous, and (b) a bit of an insult to people who went through the real thing. The problem with our First World Problems is that they make us forget that we have fairly few problems that are at all serious. Can't drive as fast as we want to? Boo hoo, poor us.
You know who else liked speed cameras? Hitler.- self.Godwin #entitlement #hyperbole
Edited by Durzel on Tuesday 13th May 06:27
Durzel said:
edit: Bloody forum, why does it automatically turn hashes into bullets and how do you stop it?
By creating a no-break space using the Extended ASCII Character set - http://www.theasciicode.com.ar/extended-ascii-code...Hold down the Alt key and type 255 using the numeric keypad (NOT the numbers above QWERTY). Release the Alt key.
Voilà
#self.Godwin #entitlement #hyperbole
Edited by Red Devil on Tuesday 13th May 07:05
Andy JB said:
Well - my question of points & fine has been answered.
In response to the 'hollier than tho' comments I didn't suggest i was entitled to a review! I was caught & i'll have to pay the fine. I don't like speeding either but you have to be sensible in its enforcement.
My point being there is no subjectivity or reason for the camera at its locations other than to raise money. Of every mobile camera i saw in Wales that day without exception, each was placed exctly where they knew any speeding would occur and NOT due to any legitimate safety reasons that were evident. I did see lots of very poor driving on the day but of course none of this is enforceable with a camera that perhaps a human patrol would have been able to address.
In my own case we had gone through a deserted town as it was early Sunday at 20 mph, the road exited the town into the countryside along a straight road without houses or side roads, reasonably expecting this to have reasonably cleared the 30 zone with just a gradual increase in speed in-line with the road and conditions as we exited. So the camera wasn't in the town, or outside a school, or at a dangerous junction, but along a straight stretch outside the town where they know most people will begin to increase their realworld speed on the exit - easy hit but not dangerous by any stretch.
I do agree this will affect business in Wales, indeed the track Director was encouraging me to organise a track day or event to the circuit, which was indeed excellent & well organised, however, based on what i experienced on the journey, not just my incident, bitter or not, I will be writing to him explaining why he probably won't be getting any further business but wish them all the best.
They are put we're there have been fatal accidents so yes they are we're people must get it wrong speed being one factor.In response to the 'hollier than tho' comments I didn't suggest i was entitled to a review! I was caught & i'll have to pay the fine. I don't like speeding either but you have to be sensible in its enforcement.
My point being there is no subjectivity or reason for the camera at its locations other than to raise money. Of every mobile camera i saw in Wales that day without exception, each was placed exctly where they knew any speeding would occur and NOT due to any legitimate safety reasons that were evident. I did see lots of very poor driving on the day but of course none of this is enforceable with a camera that perhaps a human patrol would have been able to address.
In my own case we had gone through a deserted town as it was early Sunday at 20 mph, the road exited the town into the countryside along a straight road without houses or side roads, reasonably expecting this to have reasonably cleared the 30 zone with just a gradual increase in speed in-line with the road and conditions as we exited. So the camera wasn't in the town, or outside a school, or at a dangerous junction, but along a straight stretch outside the town where they know most people will begin to increase their realworld speed on the exit - easy hit but not dangerous by any stretch.
I do agree this will affect business in Wales, indeed the track Director was encouraging me to organise a track day or event to the circuit, which was indeed excellent & well organised, however, based on what i experienced on the journey, not just my incident, bitter or not, I will be writing to him explaining why he probably won't be getting any further business but wish them all the best.
I would hold your horses getting all het up May not even get a ticket cameras have been known to flash when they aren't in full operation.
Sounds like the track day was a bad idea as you came out wanting a blast home, thought the point of track days was a
Legal safe speed session that can't be done legally on the road.
The welsh May take your comments on board however they may take the view that if your not going to respect their speed limits especially their 30mph were there has been a Large amount of fatalities.
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