991 C2S or Golf R400
991 C2S or Golf R400
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paulendo

Original Poster:

10 posts

244 months

Monday 12th May 2014
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Have a Gen 2 C2S manual at the moment and love it

Very interested in the Golf potentially but suspect the drive may be disappointing by comparison-
Also concerned abput the mechanical reliability of getting 400 bhp from a 2 litre turbo.
Upside is 4WD and price of circa 40k

Likely to be limited numbers so no real chance to try first

Other alternative will be a 991 C2S PDK

Any thoughts?

Carl_Docklands

15,831 posts

291 months

Monday 12th May 2014
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I think the Golf R400 is directed at Petrolheads who already have a Porsche and want a second car.

Don't just go on the specifications, the actual feel of the cars and they way they drive will be at polar opposites.



sidicks

25,218 posts

250 months

Monday 12th May 2014
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paulendo said:
Have a Gen 2 C2S manual at the moment and love it

Very interested in the Golf potentially but suspect the drive may be disappointing by comparison-
Also concerned abput the mechanical reliability of getting 400 bhp from a 2 litre turbo.
Upside is 4WD and price of circa 40k

Likely to be limited numbers so no real chance to try first

Other alternative will be a 991 C2S PDK

Any thoughts?
Not sure the two are in any way comparable apart from bhp. And if you really want 4WD then go for the 991 C4S PDK!!

matsoc

853 posts

161 months

Monday 12th May 2014
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I read good things about Golf VII R and the R400 could become the most impressive hot hatch but I won't even think giving away a 911 for a Golf. Morevoer my experience with a DSG Golf VI R has been negative: it was fast but absolutely not that involving on a demanding road.
Especially with manual box a 991 C2S isn't imeediately fast car for these days, a 400hp turbo Golf would probably murder it in real world acceleration but not in much else I believe. The 991 has looks great (in my opinion), it is cozy and comfortable inside, it still has that sweet 911 handling balance, what else? Certainly a 911 couldn't be my only car because I need more space and 4 doors but if I had to have only one car I will look forward for an M3.

rosino

1,395 posts

201 months

Monday 12th May 2014
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Sorry but you must be mad only to even contemplate this.

I had a 991 S. Chopped in for a 991 GT3 which is conosderably delayed.

I have a mk6 GTI currently as a London run-around. Let me tell you. The 2 things don't even compare. They both have 4 wheels but that's about all they have in common

Am sure another 200hp would change that. You would still have a GOLF instead of a 911. Not to mention face the depreciation curve a Dover cliff.

Stop immediately that thought process. Slap yourself and repent.

paulendo

Original Poster:

10 posts

244 months

Monday 12th May 2014
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I knew this deep down
Must have eaten something past its sell by date and its affected my rationality.
We've got an S1 sportback coming in 3 months, so can scratch the 4WD hatch itch

AndrewD

7,658 posts

313 months

Monday 12th May 2014
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Try the 991 C2S manual too. I have one as a loan car until my GT3's engine is replaced, and it is a really fun thing

WCZ

11,490 posts

223 months

Wednesday 14th May 2014
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i'd wait till the r400 is out first and see what the consensus is

franki68

11,635 posts

250 months

Wednesday 14th May 2014
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re depreciation..sure I read that the standard 'r' retained a ridiculous amount of its value

rbh

293 posts

161 months

Wednesday 14th May 2014
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Andrew many previous posts have said the manual gearbox is not that good, I drove one round in circles at Porsche Silverstone so didn't really play with the gearbox. What are your thoughts?

Rob

AndrewD

7,658 posts

313 months

Wednesday 14th May 2014
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Rob, the box is a bit weird with 7 gears and it takes some getting used to. But for squirting around B roads you only usually need 1-4, and the pedals are set up perfectly out of the box for heeling and toeing effortlessly. So I'm finding it really pleasurable, nice car

av185

20,464 posts

156 months

Wednesday 14th May 2014
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Drove a Golf R 'manuel' last week....quite accomplished as an overall package although the sythesized engine note a touch superficial also a bit dear pushing £40k for.....a Golf.

The R400 appears to be more appealing although may only be available as 3 door and 'manuel'....Autocar have suggested it will be c £40k but I would have thought £45k with a few essential extras to be more realistic. Probably the better buy of the two models especially if limited numbers which should support residuals....yes

Neither of these cars would come anywhere close for driver involvement to your 997 C2S 'manuel', which is seen as the last of a line in some ways with its perfect hydraulic steering and gearbox driving both of which are lost on the 991 C2S (although it is noted you prefer a 991 PDK which would IMO be a better option).

Bear in mind the gen 2 991 will be introduced next year which will inevitably hit residuals on the gen 1.....thumbup