Four missing yachtsmen....
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Gargamel

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16,344 posts

290 months

Sunday 18th May 2014
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I hear the search has been called off, seems early.

Does the UK not have any Search and Rescue capability anymore, or would we have relied on the US in any case... ?

SpeedYellow

2,533 posts

256 months

Sunday 18th May 2014
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Fingers crossed the guys are bobbing about in a liferaft waiting to be spotted still. Lots unknown at the moment so not going to speculate on any off it.

Yacht was a way SW of Azores when last heard from very much un US coverage areas, UK still very good at covering our side when it's needed.

Nobby Diesel

2,117 posts

280 months

Sunday 18th May 2014
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Gargamel said:
I hear the search has been called off, seems early.

Does the UK not have any Search and Rescue capability anymore, or would we have relied on the US in any case... ?
It does seem an early call.
The hull has been spotted, overturned, but floating.

Fingers crossed.

Ginetta G15 Girl

3,220 posts

213 months

Sunday 18th May 2014
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Gargamel said:
Does the UK not have any Search and Rescue capability anymore, or would we have relied on the US in any case... ?
We used to have the capability to meet our legal SAR requirements out to 16W.

We no longer do after CMD and his idiot friends binned Nimrod.

Jamie VTS

1,238 posts

176 months

Monday 19th May 2014
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I have nothing useful to add to the discussion but am friends with one of the missing and am praying that they are found safe and well..

ccr32

1,983 posts

247 months

Monday 19th May 2014
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Do sailors who are on long sea crossings like the Atlantic not carry sat phones? Not helpful here I realise, but I know I would want one with me and would borrow one for an equivalent sea/remote area crossing in a light aircraft.

I do hope they are found soon.

Fishtigua

9,786 posts

224 months

Monday 19th May 2014
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Just been looking at how the boat has been raced this season. It's been pushed pretty hard here in the UK and the Caribbean.

Click on the boatname.

http://www.regattaguru.com/asw/minisite?series_id=...

markmullen

15,877 posts

263 months

Monday 19th May 2014
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ccr32 said:
Do sailors who are on long sea crossings like the Atlantic not carry sat phones? Not helpful here I realise, but I know I would want one with me and would borrow one for an equivalent sea/remote area crossing in a light aircraft.

I do hope they are found soon.
If you are concerned about safety like that I can recommend the Delorme Inreach, http://www.inreachdelorme.com/ I use the older model for safety when out in the wilds on my own as a landscape photographer, great peace of mind for not much money, mine cost £200 and $10 USD a month.

Simpo Two

92,671 posts

294 months

Monday 19th May 2014
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Or to go back a generation of tech, a simple radio beacon?

Fittster

20,120 posts

242 months

Monday 19th May 2014
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Considering the EPRIB hasn't worked I don't see why other technology would have been more successful.

As the charter firm was in contact with the yacht prior to Friday morning it appears they did have a sat phone.

The information that has been made public so far suggests the keel parted company with the yacht in heavy weather. The crew were reporting water ingress on Thursday and there are photos doing the rounds which shows an upturned hull minus the keel.

Fingers crossed the crew have managed to get into a lift raft.

Fittster

20,120 posts

242 months

Monday 19th May 2014
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markmullen said:
ccr32 said:
Do sailors who are on long sea crossings like the Atlantic not carry sat phones? Not helpful here I realise, but I know I would want one with me and would borrow one for an equivalent sea/remote area crossing in a light aircraft.

I do hope they are found soon.
If you are concerned about safety like that I can recommend the Delorme Inreach, http://www.inreachdelorme.com/ I use the older model for safety when out in the wilds on my own as a landscape photographer, great peace of mind for not much money, mine cost £200 and $10 USD a month.
There have been signals form two PLBs, however they only have a battery of 24 hours. The question in my mind is why there's been no signal from the EPRIB. If it was an automatic EPRIB it should have started to signal as soon as it got wet and kept going for 48 hours.


Sealine South

534 posts

168 months

Monday 19th May 2014
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Is it not feasible they could be in an air pocket in the upturned hull?

Gargamel

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16,344 posts

290 months

Monday 19th May 2014
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Sealine South said:
Is it not feasible they could be in an air pocket in the upturned hull?
It is a possibility, but of course the hull was leaking, so you would question how long such a pocket might exist for.


anonymous-user

83 months

Monday 19th May 2014
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Loosing the keel results in a pretty quick capsize surely, but as they reported "taking on water" some time before they should have had plenty of time to get a life raft in place ready and make sure they were up on deck just in case i hope.

Fittster

20,120 posts

242 months

Monday 19th May 2014
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Gargamel said:
Sealine South said:
Is it not feasible they could be in an air pocket in the upturned hull?
It is a possibility, but of course the hull was leaking, so you would question how long such a pocket might exist for.
The classic example would be Tony Bullimore who survived 4 days in an upturned hull after the lose of his keel.

Fittster

20,120 posts

242 months

Monday 19th May 2014
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Ginetta G15 Girl said:
Gargamel said:
Does the UK not have any Search and Rescue capability anymore, or would we have relied on the US in any case... ?
We used to have the capability to meet our legal SAR requirements out to 16W.

We no longer do after CMD and his idiot friends binned Nimrod.
Would one of the cancelled Nimrods have the range to conduct a search in the area where they are presumed to be?

Gargamel

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16,344 posts

290 months

Monday 19th May 2014
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Fittster said:
The classic example would be Tony Bullimore who survived 4 days in an upturned hull after the lose of his keel.
Indeed, aware of the example - but I don't think TB had water coming in through the hull. Of course anything is possible we just don't know.

Bit disappointing that the Maersk ship didn't stay near the hull and guide rescuers in.

hidetheelephants

35,704 posts

222 months

Monday 19th May 2014
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Fittster said:
Ginetta G15 Girl said:
Gargamel said:
Does the UK not have any Search and Rescue capability anymore, or would we have relied on the US in any case... ?
We used to have the capability to meet our legal SAR requirements out to 16W.

We no longer do after CMD and his idiot friends binned Nimrod.
Would one of the cancelled Nimrods have the range to conduct a search in the area where they are presumed to be?
With tanker support or staging out of the Azores yes, Nimrod would have plenty of loiter time over the search area, although from what was on the news the search area rivals that of MH370 in size.

Simpo Two

92,671 posts

294 months

Monday 19th May 2014
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I'm astonished that the batteries in their hi-tech acronyms only lasted 24 hours. Sounds like a recipe for failure to me.

maser_spyder

6,356 posts

211 months

Monday 19th May 2014
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Simpo Two said:
I'm astonished that the batteries in their hi-tech acronyms only lasted 24 hours. Sounds like a recipe for failure to me.
With a half-decent epirb, that's 24 hours of transmitting your GPS co-ords to anybody that's listening. It should be enough.

I remember reading another story of a similar incident about 800 miles off Azores IIRC, epirb set off, abandoned to liferaft, Portugal picked up the signal, checked the location and vessel details, passed it to Falmouth, Falmouth put out an all-ships, and they were picked up about an hour later by a passing freighter. It really does work if you're lucky.

These guys sound like they had a sat phone, the yacht would have had an epirb, and they probably would have had at least a couple more personal epirbs between them so it's very unusual that they haven't been picked up yet.

Fingers crossed. frown